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Message:: [QUOTE="eddiespin, post: 2943607, member: 4920"]Where does that get you, Kurt? Think about it. Nowhere. Nowhere Man, please listen up. MS65 is still gem/uncirculated grade. From a technical standpoint, i.e., of condition and preservation, all the MS grades are still evaluated on two principal criteria, i.e., contact marks and luster. That's how they were evaluated 60 years ago, and it's how they're still evaluated, today. The only difference is, to appease the Third-Party Appraisers, we break the continuum down to the Sheldon Scale grades, then do this dumb-ass market grading thing, gift-wrapped to these TPAs by the ANA, just to give the former plausible deniability. "Hey, don't complain at us, we didn't stand technical grading on its head with this crackpot, pretty-boy, style of grading--that was started by the ANA--educate yourself!" But MS65 is still the gem/uncirculated cut, that strike zone still changes, and that's hardly any big revelation. And look, I don't mind this crackpot system. They're crackpots, that's all you have to know. That's why this coin will market MS64 even though there's no way on God's Green Earth it's anywhere close to MS64. In fact, technically, it has wear. In double-talk, that's "cabinet friction." More like "cabinet fiction," you ask me...[/QUOTE]