Would ANACS have straight graded this 78CC?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Boreo, Jan 23, 2022.

  1. Boreo

    Boreo New Member


    New here. There's this 1878CC Morgan I'd like to buy, but it has what looks like a scratch either on the holder or the coin.


    Do you think this mark is on the coin itself? Would ANACS have given this a 63 back then with a scratch like that on it?
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Looks like scratch on the Coin itself. Next time upload Pics. Not links. Welcome to CoinTalk.:)
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  4. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Certainly not impossible. The services sometimes miss things, or sometimes things get a pass.
    This coin shows the type of in holder toning Morgans seem to develope in them...possibly for some reason the scrape is more noticeable than when the coin was slabbed.
    (Provided the scratch is on the coin, can't tell for sure.)
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  5. COOPER12

    COOPER12 Well-Known Member

    Looks like a minor scratch on the luster and straight graded but hard to see in the pics.
  6. Boreo

    Boreo New Member

    I've seen some results while Googling around talking about how ANACS graded coins details for the tiniest, not very noticeable scratch. So them not grading this one details kind of confuses me if it's on the coin. But it also was a earlier time, I believe this slab is from the early 90s?

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    In all honesty it's not big enough or severe enough to warrant the coin being labeled as a problem coin.

    When it comes to judging things like a scratch(es) there are 3 things that enter into the decision. The severity of the scratch, the location of the scratch, and the size of the coin. The reason the size of the coin matters is because a scratch of the exact same size and severity is more serious on a small coin than it would be on a large coin.
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  8. COOPER12

    COOPER12 Well-Known Member

    I have a 84cc NGC MS-64 with a light scratch through the luster but not really in the coin at all so thats why I think this may be similar
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  9. Boreo

    Boreo New Member

    So would you all believe this scratch would detract from the value? I think personally, for me it does. But I'm not sure how it would do if you posted it in, say, an auction.
  10. imrich

    imrich Supporter! Supporter

    I personally believe the "scratch" is insignificant relative to what is being seen from the premier TPG. If my link loads, look at the believed scratch in front of the ear on this premium coin: https://www.ebay.com/itm/325010568511?hash=item4bac23b53f:g:cRUAAOSwBEthO8ca

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  11. COOPER12

    COOPER12 Well-Known Member

    I dont think so but if you can get full size pics posted on here I may say different but would say no from what I saw.
  12. Boreo

    Boreo New Member

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  13. Vess1

    Vess1 CT SP VIP

    I think sometimes the graders believe issues may have been when it was struck or issues with the planchet. Or sometimes it looks like a scratch but they perceive it to be something else. I'll give you a wild example in an NGC slab. My 1921 high relief Peace. It was graded MS-61. There's a large obvious mark in the field that doesn't show up on the camera that well but shows up really well in hand. It looks like a big scratch to me but that's not what the graders at NGC thought. If it was raw I would've guess it would have no chance to straight grade. So, I have no idea what it is or what they thought it is. But it's a MS-61 officially. They must have looked at it under magnification and determined it was not a scratch.

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  14. Boreo

    Boreo New Member

    I wouldn't say that the in front of ear scratch you linked is quite as bad as this one TBH. This one stands out to me, maybe because it's right in front of the date.
  15. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    From those 1878-CC reverse shots, I see what looks like a hit from another coin's reeding to the left of the eagle, and what looks like a small scratch between * and ONE. I don't know how TPGs handle scratches that small, but it doesn't detract that much in my opinion. And the hit is perfectly legit for an MS63 coin.

    I've had people tell me ANACS was too generous with their grades, but usually it was when I was trying to sell them something in an ANACS slab. :rolleyes: I did sell my ANACS MS62 1921 Peace at a local show a couple of months ago; the dealer, whom I trust, said he thought it was accurately graded.
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  16. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I don't think that's a scratch. Look at how it changes with the light and angle:



    I think it's just another luster break, with its texture catching the light in the upper shot but not in the lower one.
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  17. Jeepfreak81

    Jeepfreak81 Well-Known Member

    I think the bottom line is - if it bothers you, pass on the coin. FWIW, to my untrained eye it looks to be on the coin rather than the holder but whether or not it's an actual scratch I wouldn't hazard a guess.
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  18. Vess1

    Vess1 CT SP VIP

    If you don't care about the slab crack it open and re-submit it to somebody. You'll find out in a hurry if it's on the slab or the coin and maybe get a better look at it. Unless ANACs has a registry, it's not going to be a big loss. A lot of people want stuff in PCGS and NGC slabs for their registry sets. I just cracked an ICG slab for a crossover yesterday that I will share at a later time here.
  19. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    ANACS during the early days of ownership by Amos Press.

    They were beginning to abandon technical grading, the ANA Grading Standards and embrace market grading.

    Is the coin MA? (Market Acceptable)? Then it would get a straight grade.
  20. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    MS-63 is nothing to bulk at. All Morgan's are collector coins in my opinion. Your coin is no exception it's a very nice coin and graded appropriately scratch or no scratch. Thanks for sharing your CC gem.
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  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    We also have to keep in mind that when it comes to things like key dates and rarities/scarcities, coins with a certain provenance or pedigree, coins of high or higher value - the TPGs give things a pass and cleanly grade the coin when they would not cleanly grade the coin if the exact same thing was on a common date coin that had none of those attributes.

    In other words, they didn't determine that was not a scratch, they simply chose to ignore it because of what the coin is.
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