Log in or Sign up
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Ancient Coins
>
Worn, Mysterious and Interesting.....
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="Mikey Zee, post: 2517316, member: 72818"]I nearly passed on this seemingly non-descript, Fine+, off-centered RR denarius despite lacking that full standing Eagle reverse on any of my other 'Republicans'. After a closer look, I realized that the obverse was not some odd version of Roma or Minerva with a Crested Helmet as I initially thought, rather it was entirely something else and that greatly intrigued me. The consensus appears to be:</p><p><br /></p><p>"The bust appears to bear the attributes of a number of different deities and has therefore been occasionally deemed a parthenon. The identity of this goddess is, as such, something of a mystery"</p><p><br /></p><p>In fact, this draped goddess is wearing the helmet of Minerva, the laurel wreath of Apollo, the crown of Isis, the wings of Victory and the bow and quiver of Diana on her back with a cornucopiae before. If one also equates the winged and helmeted bust with Vacuna, a Sabine goddess, as some authorities seem to suggest, we now have attributes of six deities for this sole goddess. The association to Vacuna is questionable, however, and possibly discounted---- Crawford strongly disagrees with the association....yet it is mentioned by some since it appears to pay homage to the origins of the Plaetoria gens, the family of the moneyer M Plaetorius M f Cestianus.</p><p><br /></p><p>And on the reverse, the Eagle with spread wings, standing right looking left on a thunderbolt..."indicate that the public games sacred to Jupiter (and Magna Mater?) were caused to be performed as usual by the curule aediles..." and that this particular coin 'bears record to the aedileship of the moneyer'. So, now we have one or two additional attributes or associations with deities or a grand total, obverse and reverse of at least 6 to as many as 8, more than I can ever recall coming across before.</p><p><br /></p><p>To make it easier to discern all of those 'attributes', I have attached a higher grade example directly below mine. Since I was the only bidder and won at the minimum required, I may have lucked out and purchased this odd example at below fair market retail..... or simply talked myself into another but(t) coin LOL. Regardless, it is a very strange and interesting coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Placing this denarius in historical context it was during 67 BC that Pompey launched a campaign against the pirates of Cilicia and is given dictatorial powers by the Senate. At Pontus and Zela (located in the modern Black Sea area of Turkey), Roman troops were engaged against Mithradates.....</p><p><br /></p><p>I look forward to all of your posts and comments. Please share any example you may have that depict a god or goddess sharing multiple attributes. Perhaps someone has a coin that tops the 'split personality disorder' of this particular one.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie76" alt=":playful:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>M. Plaetorius M. F. Cestianus, AR Denarius,</p><p>Rome mint, 67 BC; 19 mm, 3.85 grams.</p><p>CESTIANVS S C, helmeted and draped bust right with 'multiple deity attributes'.</p><p><br /></p><p>M. PLAETORIVS M F AED CVR: Eagle standing on Thunderbolt, looking left.</p><p>Crawford 409/1</p><p>[ATTACH=full]536287[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]536288[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>EDIT: I just noticed one offered by ACM on e-bay...and she lists it as VACUNA....<a href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/In-celebrations-of-games-Ludi-Florales-Legionary-Eagle-VACUNA-Roman-coin-/302070165467?hash=item4654c8efdb:g:oCsAAOSwgmJX1a0g" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/itm/In-celebrations-of-games-Ludi-Florales-Legionary-Eagle-VACUNA-Roman-coin-/302070165467?hash=item4654c8efdb:g:oCsAAOSwgmJX1a0g" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/In-celebrations-of-games-Ludi-Florales-Legionary-Eagle-VACUNA-Roman-coin-/302070165467?hash=item4654c8efdb:g:oCsAAOSwgmJX1a0g</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Mikey Zee, post: 2517316, member: 72818"]I nearly passed on this seemingly non-descript, Fine+, off-centered RR denarius despite lacking that full standing Eagle reverse on any of my other 'Republicans'. After a closer look, I realized that the obverse was not some odd version of Roma or Minerva with a Crested Helmet as I initially thought, rather it was entirely something else and that greatly intrigued me. The consensus appears to be: "The bust appears to bear the attributes of a number of different deities and has therefore been occasionally deemed a parthenon. The identity of this goddess is, as such, something of a mystery" In fact, this draped goddess is wearing the helmet of Minerva, the laurel wreath of Apollo, the crown of Isis, the wings of Victory and the bow and quiver of Diana on her back with a cornucopiae before. If one also equates the winged and helmeted bust with Vacuna, a Sabine goddess, as some authorities seem to suggest, we now have attributes of six deities for this sole goddess. The association to Vacuna is questionable, however, and possibly discounted---- Crawford strongly disagrees with the association....yet it is mentioned by some since it appears to pay homage to the origins of the Plaetoria gens, the family of the moneyer M Plaetorius M f Cestianus. And on the reverse, the Eagle with spread wings, standing right looking left on a thunderbolt..."indicate that the public games sacred to Jupiter (and Magna Mater?) were caused to be performed as usual by the curule aediles..." and that this particular coin 'bears record to the aedileship of the moneyer'. So, now we have one or two additional attributes or associations with deities or a grand total, obverse and reverse of at least 6 to as many as 8, more than I can ever recall coming across before. To make it easier to discern all of those 'attributes', I have attached a higher grade example directly below mine. Since I was the only bidder and won at the minimum required, I may have lucked out and purchased this odd example at below fair market retail..... or simply talked myself into another but(t) coin LOL. Regardless, it is a very strange and interesting coin. Placing this denarius in historical context it was during 67 BC that Pompey launched a campaign against the pirates of Cilicia and is given dictatorial powers by the Senate. At Pontus and Zela (located in the modern Black Sea area of Turkey), Roman troops were engaged against Mithradates..... I look forward to all of your posts and comments. Please share any example you may have that depict a god or goddess sharing multiple attributes. Perhaps someone has a coin that tops the 'split personality disorder' of this particular one.:D:playful: M. Plaetorius M. F. Cestianus, AR Denarius, Rome mint, 67 BC; 19 mm, 3.85 grams. CESTIANVS S C, helmeted and draped bust right with 'multiple deity attributes'. M. PLAETORIVS M F AED CVR: Eagle standing on Thunderbolt, looking left. Crawford 409/1 [ATTACH=full]536287[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]536288[/ATTACH] EDIT: I just noticed one offered by ACM on e-bay...and she lists it as VACUNA....[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/In-celebrations-of-games-Ludi-Florales-Legionary-Eagle-VACUNA-Roman-coin-/302070165467?hash=item4654c8efdb:g:oCsAAOSwgmJX1a0g[/url][/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Ancient Coins
>
Worn, Mysterious and Interesting.....
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Competitions
Competitions
Quick Links
Competition Index
Rules, Terms & Conditions
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Showcase
Showcase
Quick Links
Search Items
Most Active Members
New Items
Directory
Directory
Quick Links
Directory Home
New Listings
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Sponsors
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...