World Trade Center Coins Who Knows What

If you're making the point with sarcasm that I think you are, I fully agree. You can't judge countries/people/etc. by the actions of their ancestors, because if you do, nobody is innocent. Everybody on the face of the earth, regardless of their nationality or ethinicity has ancestros who have done things they're not proud of if you go back enough generations... and it's never as far back as you'd prefer to think.

I have always thought the best way to marginalize neo-nazis, holocaust deniars, and other assorted nutcases is to let them be free to make fools of themselves. Banning them from expressing themselves only allows them to fuel their presecution complexes and let them claim perverseley that there must be something to their theories if governemnts are actively trying to supress them (it also runs into free speech issues, if you're one of those, like me, that believe free speech is a fundamental right that should be protected everywhere... and it's not just speech that you agree with that is worthy of protection.) Austria, Germany, and other countries have various laws in place that violate free speech prinicples for the sake of trying to prove that they're wholly apologetic about their past... I can possibly comend their motivations if not their actual actions in this regard. Nazi coins and stamps are a part of history... yes an objectionable part that I'm glad modern Germany is not proud of... but trying to destroy the evidence of it is if anything, an insult to those that survived it. The fact that owning and selling such things are illegal in Germany is neither here nor there... there's lots of laws I disagree with, even in my own country... one country's laws is not the end all of ethical discussion.

As for the point of the sinking of the Central America being an act of God and 9/11 being an intentional act... ok, what about the Binion hoard then? He was murdered, was he not? Yet people actively trade coins that were formerly in his posession with a premium attached for their interesting provenance. OK just 1 murder and not nearly 3,000, but same principle should apply, if there is one to apply, isn't there? You're free to disapprove of those who want to buy and sell coins with a WTC provenance of course, but as for me, I don't see such activity as either "profting from tragedy" or somehow endorsing the actions of the 9/11 terrorists. The same way I just can't bring myself to see anything wrong with buying coins with the mark of objectionable periods of histroy of a provenance with one disaster ( either man-made or natural) or another. I just can't bring myself to see it that way. Maybe if the proceeds were going directly to a currently extant objectionable regime, maybe... but money spent on Nazi coins doesn't travel backwards in time to support Hitler's toppled regime and money spent on coins recovered from the WTC does not go to al Qaeda to support theit activities. I have many banknotes from Sadaam Hussein's regime... but he is dead and out of power and despite the disapproval I had for his regime and my sympathy for those who suffered under it, my conscience doesn't bother me a bit to buy such notes for my collection.

 

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Guess that each country has laws that people in other countries find objectionable. In your case that would be the Austrian, French, German etc. laws against nazi propaganda, while Europeans may find death penalty, torture and imprisoning people without a trial objectionable. As for buying or selling nazi coins, that is as legal or illegal in Germany as it is in the US.

Christian

 

Well I find it interesting that France penalizes and fines Brigitte Bardot for making racist comments about Muslims. Here in the USA she would just be branded a bigot, along with Mel Gibson and blacklisted by the media. Certainly no civil penalties for being an idiot, but perhaps the real penalty is not the €23000 she had to pay, but the people in Hellywood that won't have anything to do with Mr. Big Mouth.

But then again, we have waterboarding, Gitmo, the Patriot Act etc. So whilst I as an individual that decries bad policy everywhere can gripe, I cannot argue in favour of any country as paramount in freedom at the moment.

 

Wait a minute, why is this getting so political? It was about the buying and selling of 9/11 items.

...then again? what is wrong with Gitmo, it's a Marine base if I recall the Jack Nickolson movie? and waterboarding sounds like fun ask the guests at Gitmo!
Oh that's right, they have no rights...quick call Amnesty International or better yet the ACLU.....again. They will protect us.

As for Patriot Act, remember it passed overwhelmingly in the House by our elected officials

In the words of the Great Man: Can't we all just get along:hug:

 

I have hurricane Katrina coins too, And hurricane Hugo beach towels, 9/11 corn flakes, Lusitania lottery tickets, and a custard stand from Custer's last stand. I also rented a car from Alamo once. And everytime I look at these things I see, not the items, but how retarded America has become. 9/11 and hurricane katrina coins indeed. How sad.

 

Oh righteous one. That is why life is so great we don't all act or think the same way. How boring it would be if we all thought or acted the same

 

personally i think we should move this to general discussion thread

 

Great Idea, I've seen it happen for less. My Pet Died, Guns and Coins, Protecting your investments, etc... All of these OLD threads were moved for one reason or another. My bet is that it won't be since the idea came from you, LOL...

Ben

 

How did a pet dying end up in the coin forum? On second thought, maybe I don't want to know. :whistle:

 

Oh, it's not as sinister as that. The OP simply did not know the General Discussion area existed and posted a thread about a good friend passing.

Ben

 

Every time I get a 1oz Silver Round that has anything to do with 9/11 I beat the crap out of it. I don't think it is right to make money off the death of so many souls. But that is just my point of view. Also how many of these 1oz rounds ( not eagles ) were produced and what part of the profit was even given to victims famalies.

 

I believe this is SALESREP's area of expertise.