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<p>[QUOTE="wcg, post: 8088194, member: 77169"]Apologies to all for taking this down a rabbit hole. All the research I have done is inconclusive. I suspect the cataloguers at NGC, Keunker, ARS, and Leipziger all experienced the same result. Considering the fact that there are several varieties of the Behrens 727B (1T, 1.5T, 2T weights), it seems likely that there was also an unpublished ½ taler weight struck. There was one other example recently in a Leipziger 2020 auction (<a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7525830" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7525830" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7525830</a>) with similar vague classification and lack of attribution, so I suspect more exist. Here is the Behrens reference snip: </p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1405432[/ATTACH] </p><p>I don’t know if the date of 1580 is accurate, but this is repeatedly referenced by the other Behrens 727B pieces in auctions over recent years. I am assuming a ½ taler would have been struck at the same time unless it was a restrike. The crudeness of the planchet suggest to me that it might be original to the original strikes. Examples of other auctions for the larger 1 and 1.5 issues:</p><p><br /></p><p>1T (51mm; 28.6g) – Leipziger Oct 2018: <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5386505" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5386505" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5386505</a></p><p><br /></p><p>1T (51mm; 28.58g) – Kunker May 2019: <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6075774" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6075774" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6075774</a> [interesting to see same piece reappear in Jan 2020 Kunker in NGC holder: <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6702800" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6702800" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6702800</a>]</p><p><br /></p><p>1T (28.36g) – Kunker March 2020: <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6832117" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6832117" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6832117</a></p><p><br /></p><p>1T (28.15g) – Kunker Jun 2020: <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7107787" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7107787" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7107787</a></p><p><br /></p><p>1T (28.82g) – Kunker Jun 2017: <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4110755" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4110755" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4110755</a></p><p><br /></p><p>1.5T (36.82g) – Kunker Mar 2011: <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=960659" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=960659" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=960659</a></p><p><br /></p><p>1T (28.79g) – Kunker Dec 2013: <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1815173" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1815173" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1815173</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="wcg, post: 8088194, member: 77169"]Apologies to all for taking this down a rabbit hole. All the research I have done is inconclusive. I suspect the cataloguers at NGC, Keunker, ARS, and Leipziger all experienced the same result. Considering the fact that there are several varieties of the Behrens 727B (1T, 1.5T, 2T weights), it seems likely that there was also an unpublished ½ taler weight struck. There was one other example recently in a Leipziger 2020 auction ([URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7525830[/URL]) with similar vague classification and lack of attribution, so I suspect more exist. Here is the Behrens reference snip: [ATTACH=full]1405432[/ATTACH] I don’t know if the date of 1580 is accurate, but this is repeatedly referenced by the other Behrens 727B pieces in auctions over recent years. I am assuming a ½ taler would have been struck at the same time unless it was a restrike. The crudeness of the planchet suggest to me that it might be original to the original strikes. Examples of other auctions for the larger 1 and 1.5 issues: 1T (51mm; 28.6g) – Leipziger Oct 2018: [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5386505[/URL] 1T (51mm; 28.58g) – Kunker May 2019: [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6075774[/URL] [interesting to see same piece reappear in Jan 2020 Kunker in NGC holder: [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6702800[/URL]] 1T (28.36g) – Kunker March 2020: [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6832117[/URL] 1T (28.15g) – Kunker Jun 2020: [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7107787[/URL] 1T (28.82g) – Kunker Jun 2017: [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4110755[/URL] 1.5T (36.82g) – Kunker Mar 2011: [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=960659[/URL] 1T (28.79g) – Kunker Dec 2013: [URL]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1815173[/URL][/QUOTE]
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