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1684 GENOA 2 Scudi. Really happy to have bought this monster!

 

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Italy MODENA Francesco I d'Este Scudo (103 Bolognini) n.d. (1646)

 

Germany Archbishopric of COLOGNE Maximilian Heinrich von Bayern Taler n.d. (c.1657)

 

Germany City of MUHLHAUSEN in Thuringen Emperor Joseph II Reichstaler 1767

 

I would like this twice if I could.

 

Germany Talers of the Bishopric of MUNSTER

Franz von Waldeck Taler 1535

Franz von Waldeck was Prince-Bishop of Münster (1532-53), Osnabrück (1532-53) and Minden (1530-53). His early years in Münster were eventful.
In the early 1530s, the city of Münster embraced the Reformation, but soon fell under the control of the radical Bernhard Rothmann. Von Waldeck took action against the city, including the confiscation of goods owned by city merchants. In February 1533, both sides settled their differences with the Treaty of Dülmen. Franz von Waldeck's attitude towards the Reformation was ambiguous. and he conceded full religious freedom to the city.

However, in the annual council election on 23 February 1534 the Lutheran movement gave way to the radical Anabaptists Waldeck besieged the city. On Easter Sunday, 1534, Anabaptist leader Jan Matthys led a small band out of the city and was defeated and killed. John of Leiden then installed himself as king of the city of New Jerusalem (Münster). During the following siege, Hille Feicken attempted to murder Waldeck, inspired by the example of Judith and Holophernes. With the help of the Holy Roman Empire and a traitor from within, Waldeck's troops took the city back on 24 June 1535. In January 1536 three Anabaptist leaders, John of Leiden, Bernhard Knipperdolling and Bernhard Krechting, were tortured and executed in the marketplace of Münster. Their bodies were exhibited in cages which hung from the steeple of St. Lambert's Church.

Münster was re-Catholicised, but Waldeck used his influence to further the teachings of Luther. His efforts at aiding the Reformation were closely linked to his desire to have his relationship with Anna Polmann legalized and to have the three dioceses of Münster, Osnabrück, and Minden secularized, in order to create a secular territory for his heirs. He was unsuccessful. (Wikipedia)

 

Germany Talers of the Bishopric of MUNSTER

Sede Vacante Cathedral Chapter Taler 1650

 

@talerman - my heart skipped a beat seeing that Munster bishopric piece. Outstanding details!

 

Nice Talers....Man

 

1964 Bermuda Crown

 

Very interesting taler, Talerman. It seems the City/ region of Munster in far Western Germany was quite involved in Reformation/ Counter-Reformation coinage. I wonder why this region stands out so?

 

During the reformation there were quite a few bishoprics which went through periods of turmoil when the bishop wanted to turn Protestant or when a majority of the local populace turned Protestant and the Bishop remained a staunch Catholic.

The worst case was the Archbishopric of Cologne (about 100 miles from Münster) which precipitated the the Cologne War (1583–88). In December 1582, Gebhard Truchsess von Waldburg, the Archbishop & Prince-elector of Cologne, converted to Protestantism. Under the principle of ecclesiastical reservation included in the religious Peace of Augsburg (1555), which laid down the principle of cuius regio, eius religio, or "whose rule, his religion" for secular but not ecclesiastical territories, Gebhard had to resign from his position rather than force the conversion of his subjects. Instead, he declared religious parity for his subjects and, in 1583, married Agnes von Mansfeld-Eisleben, intending to convert the ecclesiastical principality into a secular, dynastic duchy. A faction in the Cathedral Chapter elected another archbishop, Ernst of Bavaria. Initially, troops of the competing archbishops of Cologne fought over control of sections of the territory. Several of the barons and counts holding territory with feudal obligations to the Elector also held territory in nearby Dutch provinces; Westphalia, Liege and the Southern, or Spanish Netherlands. Complexities of enfeoffment and dynastic appanage magnified a localized feud into one including supporters from the Electorate of the Palatinate and Dutch, Scots and English mercenaries on the Protestant side, and Bavarian and papal mercenaries on the Catholic side. In 1586, the conflict expanded further, with the direct involvement of Spanish troops and Italian mercenaries on the Catholic side, and financial and diplomatic support from Henry III of France and Elizabeth I of England on the Protestant side. The conflict coincided with the Dutch Revolt, 1568–1648, encouraging the participation of the rebellious Dutch provinces and the Spanish. The conclusion of the war in favor of the Catholic side consolidated Wittelsbach authority in northwestern German territories and encouraged a Catholic revival on the lower Rhine. (Source for details: Dbpedia)


Here are coins of the two principal protagonists (not mine).


Gebhard Truchsess von Waldburg (1577-83) 2 ½ Taler 1681

Coins of Gebhard are rare. This spectacular coin was sold at Künker last month for EUR 95,000.

During the reformation there were quite a few bishoprics which went through periods of turmoil when the bishop wanted to turn Protestant or when a majority of the local populace turned Protestant and the Bishop remained a staunch Catholic.


The worst case was the Archbishopric of Cologne (about 100 miles from Münster) which precipitated the the Cologne War (1583–88). In December 1582, Gebhard Truchsess von Waldburg, the Archbishop & Prince-elector of Cologne, converted to Protestantism. Under the principle of ecclesiastical reservation included in the religious Peace of Augsburg (1555), which laid down the principle of cuius regio, eius religio, or "whose rule, his religion" for secular but not ecclesiastical territories, Gebhard had to resign from his position rather than force the conversion of his subjects. Instead, he declared religious parity for his subjects and, in 1583, married Agnes von Mansfeld-Eisleben, intending to convert the ecclesiastical principality into a secular, dynastic duchy. A faction in the Cathedral Chapter elected another archbishop, Ernst of Bavaria. Initially, troops of the competing archbishops of Cologne fought over control of sections of the territory. Several of the barons and counts holding territory with feudal obligations to the Elector also held territory in nearby Dutch provinces; Westphalia, Liege and the Southern, or Spanish Netherlands. Complexities of enfeoffment and dynastic appanage magnified a localized feud into one including supporters from the Electorate of the Palatinate and Dutch, Scots and English mercenaries on the Protestant side, and Bavarian and papal mercenaries on the Catholic side. In 1586, the conflict expanded further, with the direct involvement of Spanish troops and Italian mercenaries on the Catholic side, and financial and diplomatic support from Henry III of France and Elizabeth I of England on the Protestant side. The conflict coincided with the Dutch Revolt, 1568–1648, encouraging the participation of the rebellious Dutch provinces and the Spanish. The conclusion of the war in favor of the Catholic side consolidated Wittelsbach authority in northwestern German territories and encouraged a Catholic revival on the lower Rhine. (Source for details: Dbpedia)


Here are coins of the two principal protagonists (not mine).


Gebhard Truchsess von Waldburg (1577-83) 2 ½ Taler 1681 71.91 g

Coins of Gebhard are rare. This spectacular coin was sold at Künker last month for EUR 95,000.





Gebhard’s rival, Ernst of Bavaria, was a very successful churchman. The youngest son of Duke Albrecht V of Bavaria, he was earmarked for an ecclesiastical career from an early age. He was elected bishop of Freising in 1566 at the age of 12 and of Hildesheim in 1573 at the age of 19. In 1581 he became Prince-Bishop of Liège (with its attached territories Bouillon, the county of Looz and the marquessate of Franchimont), and Prince-Abbot of Stablo and Malmedy, a double abbey consisting of two neighbouring Benedictine monasteries. When Gebhard of Cologne converted to Protestantism, Ernst became the successful Catholic contender for the title and was elected Archbishop in 1583 after the deposition of his predecessor. The archbishopric also brought with it the titles and lands of the Duchy of Westphalia and the city of Arnsberg. Much more important, the archbishops of Cologne were one of the seven Electors of the Holy Roman Emperor. That apparently was not enough. In 1585 he was also elected Bishop of Münster.


The only picture of a Cologne coin of Ernst I could find was this miserable undated 8 silver Heller he struck for the duchy of Westphalia (Solidus Numismatik, Feb.2021):





I realise this coin does not deserve or qualify to be on this thread. As an alternative, here is a Taler from one of his other bishoprics, from a Feb. 2018 Künker auction.

Bishopric of HILDESHEIM Ernst von Bayern Reichstaler 1608

The reverse displays the coats of arms of his many bishoprics and other territories, with Cologne (cross) at the top and Münster (horizontal bar) two to its left.

 

Turks and Caicos Islands 1977 20 Crowns. 45mm, 38.7g .925Ag

Hoping this purchase works out (paid $65 shipped).

 

Great write up, please post this as a separate thread so we can get it featured!

 

Thanks very much for the additional info talerman. I'll check various European auctions more carefully despite their lack of indexing. I also sent you a conversation note.

 

1684 Bern , taler, 120 creuzer

 

That is a beauty!

 

That one is pretty amazing, congrats.

 

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