World silver crown-size type coin collectors?

It seems that i can’t find out too much about this Taler so I need some help

 

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It's similar to these 2 but not quite.

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1626311
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2610596

 

Many thanks Chris! Not the same coin ,but the same ruler and so i managed to find the unknown taler/daalder at a past Schulman auction!

 

I am interested in the coins that circulated in colonial America, and legally in the US until 1857. Here is my Dutch Lion Daalder from 1648/9.

 

Here is another Vianen daalder of Hendrik van Brederode.
It is Delm. 653, a mule of Dav.8615/8514.
Yours appears to be the much rarer type with the bust facing rt. (Delm. 650 (R3), Dav.8613).

 

I was really struggling to find out what exactly is, not to mention that i completely forgot about the dutch ones and kept 'digging' in the german states. It might be rare, but it's a poor piece!What would R3 mean in terms of pieces when it comes to Delmonte?I'm familiar with Varesi, but not that much with Delmonte and its benelux catalogues , i don't have too many dutch crowns, only 2 lion daalders and 5 ducatons/silver riders.

 

I'll try to pull my Davenport Reference tonight and scan it.

 

I am afraid he does not define R3 precisely. R4 is 2-3 examples known. R3 is just defined as Extremely Rare. R2 is Very Rare.

It is also in CNM. I only have the 2006 edition where it is 2.30.10. (the numbers changed in later editions). There are two types with the bust rt., the first with the head breaking into the legend and yours, with the head in the circle. CNM gives an old reference for the first, van der Chijs XL,12 but your one is apparently not in vdCH.

 

Thank you for the info Robert!

 

I'm afraid I won't be of much help with my book...

 

Thanks Seattlite! At least you have the hardcover catalogue, not pdf's like me!

 

The Draskovic price guide/summary of Davenport is a useful book but it is not a substitute for the original books. If you do not have European Crowns 1484-1600, I can send you a picture of the relevant pages.
Incidentally, the Vianen Daalders also appear in another old book I have, Les Ecus d'Europe et leurs multiples by J.R. de Mey (1983). The reference no. of your coin is 2425.

 

If I recall, those books were a bit more expensive than the price guide. Worth it, it seems?

 

Essential if you collect Talers seriously. On cost, it depends what you consider expensive. They come up frequently in auctions. In fact the Kolbe Fanning Bid or Buy Sale which closed yesterday included the following:

355 Davenport, John S. EUROPEAN CROWNS 1700–1800. London, 1964. Second edition. 8vo, original red leatherette lettered in silver. 334 pages; map; illustrated. Valuations list. Near fine. $25 Davenport Nos. 1001–1876.
356 Davenport, John S. EUROPEAN CROWNS 1700–1800. London, 1964. Second edition. 8vo, original red leatherette lettered in silver. 334 pages; map; illustrated. Binding shaken; sticker remnant on spine; cover a bit worn; very good or so. $20 Ex Phil Carrigan Library. 357 Davenport, John S. EUROPEAN CROWNS 1600–1700. Galesburg, 1974. First (and only) edition. 8vo, original maroon leatherette lettered in silver. viii, 634 pages; illustrated. Binding shaken; sticker remnant on spine; cover a bit worn; very good or so.$60 Davenport numbers 3001–5000. The only edition of the most popular volume in the Davenport series. 358 Davenport, John S. GERMAN CHURCH AND CITY TALERS 1600–1700. Galesburg, 1967. First edition. 8vo, original black cloth lettered in silver. 349, (3) pages; illustrated. Valuation list. Near fine. $20 Davenport numbers 5001–5999. 359 Davenport, John S. GERMAN SECULAR TALERS 1600– 1700. Frankfurt am Main, 1976. 8vo, original gray leatherette lettered in silver. 588 pages; illustrated. Single-leaf supplement laid in. Cover worn, page edges minor staining; very good. $30 Davenport numbers 6001–7904. The only edition. 360 Davenport, John S. GERMAN SECULAR TALERS 1600– 1700. Frankfurt am Main, 1976. 8vo, original gray leatherette lettered in silver. 588 pages; illustrated. Single-leaf supplement laid in. Fine. $50 Davenport numbers 6001–7904. The only edition. 361 Davenport, John S. SILVER GULDEN 1559–1763. Frankfurt am Main, 1982. First edition. 8vo, original green leatherette lettered in silver. 383, (1) pages; illustrated. Fine. $30 An important catalogue of these pieces

 

Yes especially low pop issues.

 

I guess i always got carried away with my wishlist of world crowns and ignored the fact that i have to buy some of these catalogues too and i preferred the pdfs instead!I'm so messed up that i could write on the spot, a list of 50+ crowns that i 'need' , without thinking too much!
My last one, a 1710, Augsburg mint, Brixen taler, the only one issued in the 18th century, the other 3 being struck in 1614,1615,1618. It's a decent VF ,very hard to find, not to mention the top grades.

 

That Brixen taler is a tough one - congrats! I like it.

 

Love that mitred cherub !

 

Somehow i managed to get 4 bishops this year so far, Karl Joseph von Lothringen (Olmut), Johann Philipp von Lamberg(Passau), Anton Ignaz von Fugger(Ellwangen) and now Caspar Ignaz von Kunigl(Brixen). I bet the 20 ducat is an impressive coin!

 

Me too, also the Lamb of God!