World silver crown-size type coin collectors?

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  1. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    Very interesting piece. This must be one of the first coins ever struck in aluminium.
     
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  3. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    The Taylor restrikes of Soho pieces must be earlier because he died in 1885, but it is fair to say that with aluminium effectively a precious metal prior to its widespread commercial availability from 1883-4 onward, any strikings in this metal were going to be very much a limited edition and expensive. After this however, the metal was extensively used in many countries.
     
  4. PaulTudor

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    Heidrun Hoehn Leipzig, a german auction house, they usually auction quite a few Mansfeld pieces and sold one like this a few years ago. The only difference i could find between this and the common one is the one dot vs two dots on the obv. after DO. In any case, probably the only rare Mansfel talers are the early types , the 1520', multiple ones, death talers and of course the top grades and strikes!
     
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  5. PaulTudor

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    His money management skills were good though:))
    Sadly many of these coins have mount marks, were plugged, poor grades, tooled, so getting a well preserved one, that has a beautiful/interesting theme will be expensive most of the time!
     
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  6. PaulTudor

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    1701 Passau taler, Augsburg mint, Johann Philipp of Lamberg

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  7. robp

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    Charles I Gp.3 crown with mm. triangle over anchor over tun on the obverse and triangle over anchor on the reverse. This is Cooper dies XVII*/XXIV* and appears to be the best available of this die combination. The best available with the other reverse die (XXV*) is a better coin (Brooker 264), but there's no danger of it coming to market anytime soon - so Hobson's choice. This coin ex Whitley 180 (Glens 11/4/1956) was also in Goldberg 48 lot 2496. For the record, it used to be NGC AU55, 1907431-004 for those who try to keep track of populations in real numbers rather than theoretical ones.
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  8. robp

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    1966 pattern crown by Antony Foley struck on a thick flan, weight 37.64g. Again for the record, was formerly PCGS SP65 151623.65/13481549
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  9. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    Germany City of KEMPTEN Emperor Ferdinand II Reichstaler 1623

    Kempten Ferd II Taler 1623 LD obv 582.jpg Kempten Ferd II Taler 1623 LD rev 589.jpg
     
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  10. talerman

    talerman Well-Known Member

    Nice condition for a Charles I crown
     
  11. Gallienus

    Gallienus coinsandhistory.com

    Very nice crown of Charles I. It appears somewhat crudely made as is typical of his larger silver coins. Have you any ability to find/research provinances for these early English coins? I've only one English crown sized coin before Victoria but it's an Oxford silver pound of Charles I, 1642. It's pedigreed to the "Rye Collection" which was auctioned by CNG in the US but somebody in England should've owned it before then?

    Also it's slabbed by PCGS as "VF details" due to an old cleaning. I'd like to remove it from the slab but it's such a nicely done huge chunk of plastic I hate to destroy it. Still it's be nice to get the coin out. I guess there's not to much need to keep these things in slabs?

    Oh a link is here. I've posted it so many times on CT that I'll just post a link this time. https://coinsandhistory.com/countries/Europe_England/England.html
     
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  12. robp

    robp Well-Known Member

    The only resource I have here is my library of past catalogues, but I would suggest that it is only likely to be illustrated in a catalogue from the past 30 or 40 years. Any earlier and the coin is unlikely to be imaged due to its grade because there would typically only be a handful of plates for the top pieces in the collection with maybe 1 in every 10 or 20 pictured. Really good collections had more illustrated, but even then not all.
     
  13. Seattlite86

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  14. PaulTudor

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    I think the dragon is in fact Lucifer!
     
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  15. doppeltaler

    doppeltaler Well-Known Member

    May I ask where you bought it from? A lovely coin. I am interested in the fields and the wear patterns. Thank you.
     
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  16. PaulTudor

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    Thank you! It's from the last Sincona auction! I had to have a Passau taler, plus the city is very nice, hope i'll get to visit it in the future.
     
  17. PaulTudor

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    I’ve decided to reshape my collection and started selling some of the coins that don’t really match my taste , so I’ve offloaded my 8 brothers Taler , added a bit and got my first Sede Vacante Taler , a 1715 Osnabrück one.
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  18. talerman

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    I like your Osnabrück Taler but how can the 8 brothers Taler not match your taste ? I think they are among the most charming Talers around.
     
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  19. talerman

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    LIECHTENSTEIN Joseph Johann Adam Taler 1728

    Liechtenstein Joseph Johann Adam Taler 1728 LD obv 521.jpg Liechtenstein Joseph Johann Adam Taler 1728 LD rev 528.jpg
     
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  20. PaulTudor

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    To be honest i don't like most of the talers of Saxony/Saxe-Weimar, i had a 4 brothers taler and i sold that piece too some time ago!What i like and want to get is an Augsburg confession one and a vicariate issue of Johann Georg II!
     
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  21. PaulTudor

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    Edit. I've just bought a 1664 Brandenburg one with Christian Ernst/ Franconian Circle, a vf , but a coin that i always wanted!
     
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