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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;spirityoda, post: 2173581, member: 44633&quot;]I have the 17th century Krause catalog KM#41 looks like your 2nd pic but <b>not your 1st pic.</b> KM#41 1/24 thaler(groschen) metal-silver, obverse: helmeted wheel arms, another wheel above helmet, date in legend. reverse: wheel arms in ornamented shield. Z4 above. note:<b>varieties exists</b></p><p>grade/value</p><p>16ZZ - VG-$12.00 F-$25.00 VF-$45.00 XF-$90.00</p><p>1622- same values</p><p>not sure what grade your coin is ??? Krause values may differ from real life market values.</p><p>very cool early date coin.&nbsp; <b>I am guessing it is the variety version ?</b></p><p>curious where you got this coin ?&nbsp; if to personal you need not tell me.</p><p>there are 2 of these that look like yours on Ebay now.. link: <a href="http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&amp;_trksid=p2051337.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X1622+Erfurt+Germany%2C+1%2F24+thaler.TRS0&amp;_nkw=1622+Erfurt+Germany%2C+1%2F24+thaler&amp;_sacat=256" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&amp;_trksid=p2051337.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X1622+Erfurt+Germany%2C+1%2F24+thaler.TRS0&amp;_nkw=1622+Erfurt+Germany%2C+1%2F24+thaler&amp;_sacat=256" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&amp;_trksid=p2051337.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X1622 Erfurt Germany, 1/24 thaler.TRS0&amp;_nkw=1622 Erfurt Germany, 1/24 thaler&amp;_sacat=256</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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