Discussion in 'World Coins' started by petro89, Mar 29, 2011.
Habbarids of Sindh, Abdullah Allah II, AR Damma, c. 854-1025 AD. Tiny little rascal. Zeno #306005.
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GREAT BRITAIN. Crown, 1902. London Mint. Edward VII. NGC PROOF-63 MATTE.
GREAT BRITAIN. Trade Tokens. Middlesex. Silver Penny Token, 1788. PCGS MS-63.
D&H-201. National Series commemorating the Jubilee of the Glorious Revolution.
This one got away…
If you want, you can send it back to PCGS and get the King's Norton Mint Collection provenance added to the insert. This is one from an invoice that had the provenance mistakenly left off the entire batch.
Please message me with any info you have that I need to know. I’m just new to the hobby.
The coin you have came from the King's Norton Mint Collection. Most of the coins from this collection have this info on the PCGS insert. However, a few invoices over the years have omitted it. PCGS will be able to confirm the provenance and add it to the insert for you.
Here is some info on the history.
Most coin collectors are familiar with the activities of the British Royal Mint. They are usually less aware of the important role in supplying the world with currency played by the country’s second city and industrial heart, Birmingham. It has always been a place where private mints thrived. In the early days these tended to be secretive back street operations where to put it politely they produced coins of an unofficial nature. In effect Birmingham acted as the forging capital of the world. Later these undoubted skills were put to more legitimate use with the formation of private mints run by individuals of great integrity. This ability to inspire trust allowed them to attract commissions from their own and foreign Governments. Between 1790 and 1849 the Boulton family operated the Soho Mint. Immediately after its closure Ralph Heaton and his sons took over the mantle of running a mint which later took the title of the Birmingham Mint. In 1860 James Watt & Co. established a mint which coined on and off for the next twenty years. This firm was hardly newcomers to the trade since they were formerly known as Boulton & Watt before they lost the right to use the Boulton name. For the past two centuries these Birmingham firms have exported mints, minting expertise, coins and blanks. By this accomplishment they have succeeded in making a substantial contribution to oiling the wheels of the world’s commerce.
Just prior to the First World War a new company entered the fray, the Kings Norton Metal Company. In 1912 they were awarded a contract to supply the Royal Mint with bronze blanks, effectively breaking a monopoly previously held for many years by the Birmingham Mint. A coinage order quickly followed and in 1914 they struck a coinage for British West Africa bearing a K mintmark for Kynoch, the place of manufacture. The future of the Company was bright as they joined the Birmingham Mint in the sharing of Royal Mint contracts. These coins would bear the more familiar KN mintmark for Kings Norton. Mention should be made of a few exceptions to this rule. Although the Birmingham and Kings Norton Mint were rivals they were friendly rivals and at times shared contracts. Taking the coins of Sarawak as an example the Birmingham Mint dies were dispatched across the city and the coins even though carrying the famous H mintmark were struck at Kings Norton.
In 1926 the Kings Norton Metal Company became part of Imperial Chemical Industries (ICI) and in 1962 was reorganized as part of Imperial Metal Industries Limited (IMI). Two years later a consortium was formed of the Royal Mint, Birmingham Mint and Kings Norton Mint to bid for coining work. This partnership operated well for a number of years until difficult market conditions rendered it apart. With coinage contracts difficult to find the three firms went their independent ways. In 1992 this culminated in IMI making a hostile takeover of the Mint Birmingham Ltd. In terms of minting capacity this was a reverse takeover with the smaller mint taking charge of the larger mint. As a result of this change IMI closed their own minting facility.
Over the years between 1914 and 1991 the Kings Norton Mint struck coinages for at least 89 countries ranging alphabetically from Algeria to Zimbabwe. In a geographical sense they exported coins to six of the seven continents only missing out on Antarctica. One suspects that here they were deterred not so much by the icy wastes, since they counted Iceland amongst their clients, but rather by the lack of population!
Like many mints in the world the Kings Norton Mint had a habit of keeping a few examples of each coinage they struck as part of their records. In 2005, prior to the disposal of the IMI Archive Collection, I had the pleasure of being asked by IMI to arrange their collection and to separate and value two specimens of each coin intended for Birmingham Museum & Art Gallery. For a week I was like the proverbial child in a sweet shop as I spent a fascinating time ensconced in a large IMI strong room discovering small packets of coins in various cupboards and a large safe. I am pleased to report that at the conclusion of these efforts the coins set aside for Birmingham Museum & Art Gallery were very generously gifted to them even though they were valued at a considerable five figure sum. One can obtain an excellent overview of the content of the Archive Collection by a study of the holding gifted to Birmingham Museum. It contains a handful of different patterns and uniface trial pieces but the vast majority of the coins are what I would describe as being currency examples in choice condition where it is obvious that special efforts had been made to include the initial pieces struck from new polished dies. These pieces are worthy of the description of being called SPECIMENS. I suspect that this term originated from a previous disposal of a collection belonging to the Birmingham Mint in 1974. These coins were only marginally inferior to a full blown proof and were of exceptional quality with tremendous eye appeal. They required a new term to describe them and help explain why they attracted a considerable premium over a normal currency strike. So if you excuse the pun the word SPECIMEN was coined. These Birmingham and Kings Norton Mint SPECIMENS illustrate how something as mundane and utilitarian as a coin can be transformed into an object of beauty.
Through prior auctions I was able to see the proper provenance of 1973 and 1976 10p coins and a 1975 that also omitted that information.
Is that from a book?
It's from a 2018 SARC auction catalog. I believe they told me they asked him to write this, but it's been a few years and I may misremember it and they got it from somewhere else.
Hey that was the one I sold. I thought long and hard about parting with it, but I was selling the gold one and decided to make a clean break. A real favorite for me, but trying to focus a bit more. Pretty sure one or two of the ones I sold came from @gmarguli (if not specifically, the type--I sold my Albanians too and I know I've bought a few of the minors from him over the years). I need to remember to hop over to NGC and delete all those coins. Maybe this weekend.
As for my NEWPS, well I don't have a good photos of a couple--defeated me with their tricksiness, and I've been under the weather so not in the mood to fight with the camera. A couple had a TrueViews so I'll post them.
From CRO at NYINC. I haven't been able to get a good shot--the TV is a bit too much of a glamour shot, mine makes it look dull and lifeless. Reality is a nice reflective surface with pretty color. It's a nice counterpoint to my nearly white one of the same.
I also bought a lovely frosty (dare I say prooflike though it's not stated on the old holder label) 20 sen from @bidask. Another repeat date but worth it for the cool look. Working on photos there too. And no Trueview--too old in the slab.
A nice addition to my mother/baby themed medals-- I haven't done more than a phone photo of the obverse with:
And finally, not EXACTLY a NYINC purchase. I spotted this while bidding on a different one at Heritage. The Heritage one was nice and in a 62 slab. But I liked the look of this 63 better though the grades are like splitting hairs here.
Fortunately I was outbid at Heritage and promptly bought this from a seller I like--so though timing-wise and budget-wise it was part of NYINC, it was really just a private buy. And nice because the seller just got back from Japan with a new pre-Meiji coin for me that I can't wait to get.
I like this one because well, it's nice and has some nice deeper orange remaining. It's an era type I don't have. And my shots aren't quite as nice as the TrueView but at least are respectable! Japan Tenpo era 2 shu (1832-1858). Super common, but this one is just nice.
And something I don't usually collect are the Japanese Occupation issues. It's a fascinating design and again, overpaid but for a tin coin in a 62 slab, it had an uncommonly good look. Missing the oxidation often seen. Kind of like @lordmarcovan calls CircCam©
I'll take good care of it. It's a beautiful coin. Can you tell me more about the provenance of Star City Homer Collection.
Just my nickname over on the NGC side of the house. I had a nice set of Albanians I consigned and Stacks suggested using a 'name' as it was a cohesive set. I didn't have any better ideas so used the name they were in the registry with (well most of them, some were in PCGS slabs). My local city is nicknamed Star City, and my old dog was Homer. Pretty silly actually and I wasn't expecting them to add the name to the extras. I've been under the weather and will be dismantling the Albanian set though I'll leave a couple coins up so the write-up stays.
For the GB coins one of my very first big (and arguably could have been stupid) buys was the Victoria 2 pound--bought raw from a dude overseas but it turned out very well. I toyed with a 2 pound gold set, but never completed it. And the matte proofs have always appealed to me and I picked up that crown along the way.
It was a tough choice to sell but now I'm retired and I'd like some funds to keep going on my Japanese set. The Albanian set was about all it could be and so I turned it loose. Now I can afford something superb on the Japanese side without feeling guilty about my use of funds.
Like you I'm also retired and understand allocating limited resources. Best of luck with your Japanese collection. The Star City name threw me for a bit of a loop as I also collect items from the early days of space exploration and Star City is the name of the Soviet/Russian cosmonaut training center.
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