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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 8184160, member: 24314"]Probably not. My 7x does not detect it much of the time.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Yes and no. Depends on the quality of the alteration. In the 1950's and 1960's I heard that whizzing was a major problem in the market. It was still around in the early 1970's when I first learned about it as a clerk at the ANA's Authentication Service in DC. At this time, the ANA's definition of whizzing INCLUDED CHEMICAL CLEANING <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie98" alt=":wacky:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />! Surface alterations occur in degrees and after examining coins under a microscope that were actually whizzed as we know it today, we decided that what separated whizzing from any other sort of alteration done with a wheel was the presence of a tiny, upturned ridge at one side of the relief. As the point of the spear, we were able to determine/modify/change much of the crap that went before we started to closely examine coins with a stereo Microscope and florescent light (as used by Mint technicians at the Treasury Dept). Whizzing ceased to be a problem; however, in the 1980's copper Lincoln and Indian cents appeared with an altered surface we named "micro whizzing." These coins looked great and were deceptive enough to flood the marked and get into the slabs of both major TPGS's! Don't worry, after a while the graders got informed and "micro whizzing" rarely gets past any TPGS. Unfortunately, there is no way for me to post a useful image but just as an informed collector can detect a whizzed coin from a foot away, micro whizzed coins do not look original when you learn what they look like. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I agree unless a person is an experienced, knowledgeable, dealer or collector. I don't buy slabs UNLESS I want the coin in a teaching set. Unfortunately, over the decades, "gradeflation" created a problem. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Many of the Proof coins I bought in the 1980's for my Grading Set that reside in PCGS/NGC PR-64 and PR-65 slabs are now grade as high as PR-67! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 8184160, member: 24314"]Probably not. My 7x does not detect it much of the time. Yes and no. Depends on the quality of the alteration. In the 1950's and 1960's I heard that whizzing was a major problem in the market. It was still around in the early 1970's when I first learned about it as a clerk at the ANA's Authentication Service in DC. At this time, the ANA's definition of whizzing INCLUDED CHEMICAL CLEANING o_O:facepalm::wacky:! Surface alterations occur in degrees and after examining coins under a microscope that were actually whizzed as we know it today, we decided that what separated whizzing from any other sort of alteration done with a wheel was the presence of a tiny, upturned ridge at one side of the relief. As the point of the spear, we were able to determine/modify/change much of the crap that went before we started to closely examine coins with a stereo Microscope and florescent light (as used by Mint technicians at the Treasury Dept). Whizzing ceased to be a problem; however, in the 1980's copper Lincoln and Indian cents appeared with an altered surface we named "micro whizzing." These coins looked great and were deceptive enough to flood the marked and get into the slabs of both major TPGS's! Don't worry, after a while the graders got informed and "micro whizzing" rarely gets past any TPGS. Unfortunately, there is no way for me to post a useful image but just as an informed collector can detect a whizzed coin from a foot away, micro whizzed coins do not look original when you learn what they look like. I agree unless a person is an experienced, knowledgeable, dealer or collector. I don't buy slabs UNLESS I want the coin in a teaching set. Unfortunately, over the decades, "gradeflation" created a problem. :( Many of the Proof coins I bought in the 1980's for my Grading Set that reside in PCGS/NGC PR-64 and PR-65 slabs are now grade as high as PR-67! :jawdrop::facepalm:[/QUOTE]
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