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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Ryro, post: 5248799, member: 91461&quot;]Inequality has always been a nasty part of history. The most obvious example being slavery. But in a close second, and not so obvious to some, is the treatment of women.</p><p>The utter dominance of the Male in Republican Roman society was so despicably complete that they had the right to murder or sell into slavery their wives or progeny!</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1218665[/ATTACH]</p><p>Nothing on record survives of it ever happening. But the law was there.</p><p>And let&#039;s not even talk about the heartbreaking age young Roman women were married to men 3-4 times their own age at.</p><p>Cut to, Augustus: The literal pinnacle of majesty. He had a daughter whom he has swept under the carpet of time. Between he and Tiberius, who then swept her into hades, they essentially did a damnatio on one of the most remarkable women of all time.</p><p>What you talking about, Jack?</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1218666[/ATTACH]</p><p>Julia the Elder (as she had an important daughter named Julia as well. Thus Julia, the Younger)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1218654[/ATTACH]</p><p>&nbsp;was raised with the harshest and most &quot;traditional&quot; Roman upbringings wealth and prestige can buy.</p><p>This woman was not only the daughter of Augustus from his marriage before Julia, Livia, Scribonia.</p><p>Our Julia was married to Marcellus at 14.</p><p>When he died young she remarried at 18 to a general you might have heard of...</p><p>She was the wife of AGRIPPA.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1218667[/ATTACH]</p><p>&nbsp;The man behind the Augustin mask. The general who made it all work when the odds against, then Octavian were so dismal.</p><p>She is the woman who gave a man 25 years her elder 5! children!! to enhance her family and its prestige.</p><p>Of those amazing (or insane) offspring she was CALIGULA&#039;S grandmother!</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1218669[/ATTACH]</p><p>as well as Agrippina the younger (daughter of Germanicus, whom went on to marry her uncle Claudius to become empress?!)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1218670[/ATTACH]</p><p>... and Nero&#039;s great grandmother!!!</p><p>However, once Agrippa died, out of nowhere in 12 CE, against her will she was forced by her father to marry her step brother. Ewwwww, Tiberius.</p><p>As we all remember, Tiberius, supposedly, loved the wife he was forced to divorce so he could marry Augustus daughter. He even made an embarrassment of himself when by chance he&#039;d run into the ex and became emotional.</p><p>And then the rumors start. Not until Tiberius did rumors start circling about Julia&#039;s improprieties with, brace yourself, Mark Antony and Fulvia&#039;s son!!! Amongst others.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1218676[/ATTACH]</p><p>But, if even a sliver of the debauchery that Tiberius was known for are true, can you blame her for enjoy life with the intelligentsia of Rome? Not this lower to mid level human barely being. Not I. Not I, ryroius.</p><p>Augustus exiles her to an island.</p><p>After five years he feels sorry and brings her inland, or I should say, on land and gives her an allowance and her own digs.</p><p>However, ten years later... once Augi dies, Tiberius had her life smothered out within the same year, 14 CE, but even the specifics of her death are withheld from us due to the lack of writing on women of the ancient world.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1218677[/ATTACH]</p><p>Awful to read what a male dominated society can do to its MOST important patrons, matrons.</p><p>Soooooo, here she is! The woman of the hour from whom whoes womb some of the most impactful humans in history came from (I always thought she was a cutie), Julia the Elder:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1218673[/ATTACH]</p><p>and my coin:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1218657[/ATTACH]</p><p>Posthumous Coinage of Augustus</p><p>Livia and Julia under Augustus. Bronze</p><p>10-2 BC, Pergamum/Mysia. LIBIAN</p><p>HPAN XAPINOS Draped bust of Livia</p><p>(as Hera) to r. Rev.( IO)YLIAN</p><p>(AFP)ODIT(HN) Draped bust of Julia</p><p>(as Venus)! to r 18 mm,. 3,79 g. BMC</p><p>248. RPC 2359. Vagi 370248. Very rare</p><p>Julia Daughter of Augustus by his first</p><p>wife Scribonia. Born 39 BC, she was the</p><p>wife of Marcellus, Agrippa and Tiberius,</p><p>respectively. Banished by her father to</p><p>the island of Pandataria in 2 BC, she</p><p>remained there 5 years and then was</p><p>allowed to reside in Rhegium, where</p><p>she died in 14 AD.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just saying, the average working woman in America still makes roughly three quarters to the dollar of what equivalent male counter parts make.</p><p><br /></p><p>We have exactly 1 other CT poster that has ever posted a coin of Julia the Elder,&nbsp; [USER=98035]@Finn235[/USER] !!!</p><p>And it&#039;s a beauty (hopefully he&#039;ll share it here).</p><p>So, I will ask that you post a woman that history/men treated poorly. And hopefully you all pile them on before the Saturnalia posts take over the board in just over one day!!![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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