Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Allan, Jan 11, 2020.
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However, neither NGC or PCGS should have called that FBL. There is a mark across the bottom set of lines towards the left that precludes the PCGS designation (they only look at the bottom set of lines), and there are marks across both the top and bottom lines that should preclude the NGC designation (NGC looks at both sets of lines).
I am extremely disappointed that NGC called this FBL. Instead of crossing to PCGS, you should submit this to NGC for Presidential Review and have them remove the FBL and re-imburse you for their mistake.
They aren't better, but they're different: if you look at the NGC photos, they show a different perspective - but it's still full of marks that should preclude the NGC FBL designation!
Quite agree.....that 'lightning strike' through the center of the bell lines should have disqualified it.
Oh dear. Dat the crack in the Liberty Bell?
Too much 'noise' going on in that area. I don't think the coin would cross......
I know that at least part of your post is sarcasm, so I'm going to work with that
However, I'll point out that there is a bit of forgiveness in a tiny area right around the crack (the actual measurement varies, but there is some leeway for strike right around the crack).
I always admire your learn'ed assessment Jason. I'm really quite out of my element with these, as I don't collect these coins based on the 'full' assessment. Just seems to me that there is an awful amount of 'chatter' in that area which would preclude the coin from getting a 'full' designation. An old sods point of view.
How's FUN going?
My concern with the FBL on this one is not right around the crack - it's the significant hits across the lines in several places.
As for FUN, I got home this afternoon. I decided to relax, drink some Angel's Envy Rye, and not worry about coins this evening. I'll be photographing my newps and posting a couple threads tomorrow.
Looking forward to your posts and pictures old friend........
Who you calling old, old man? I'm a young whipper-snapper
Saturday at 9 am on the way out vs Wednesday at 3:30 on the way in..... yeah, it was a whole lot better. Took me over 7 hours to get there, took me 6 hours to get home.
Quite agree......You're years experienced in an younger mans body.
I can respect your goals, absolutely. Are you a type collector? Or a Franklin collector? Or, what set are you trying to build?
For the purpose of elaboration, let me show you an example of a coin I used to own. This is a 1963D, so a slightly different date but same principle. In 1960, the Mint re-engraved the master hub to correct and strengthen details which had worn down over time. However, when they did that, they didn't strengthen the bell lines as much as they should have. For this reason, bell lines for the Franklins minted 1960-1963 were much weaker overall than from previous years. You'll notice a big change in availability and price for these later dates (except for 63D, which had such a high mintage that FBLs are more common than many other dates - but they are still quite rare as a percentage of mintage).
On the coin I show below, you'll notice a complete, full set of bottom lines. This coin would be a no-questions-asked PCGS FBL. On the top set of lines, you'll see they are full and continuous except for a single fine little scratch. There is some debate amongst FBL collectors whether this is acceptable or not: a scratch is not a mark and is different than a ding or a hit. NGC will tend to accept very fine light scratches like this, but should not accept marks or hits. The coin shown in the OP shows multiple hits and marks across the lines, as opposed to the scratch shown here. If this all seems like splitting hairs.... it is.
The ultimate reality is, you have to decide for yourself what you'll accept as FBL. The coin I post here was in my award winning FBL collection, the coin in the OP has too many hits for me to accept. But, what do you think?
Thanks, I'm trying to put together a Franklin FBL set
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