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<p>[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 4549555, member: 93416"]A thought on the Wikipedia entry “Coin Weights”:</p><p><br /></p><p><i>How did things get this bad?</i></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_weights#cite_ref-Arnold_1-4" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_weights#cite_ref-Arnold_1-4" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_weights#cite_ref-Arnold_1-4</a></p><p><br /></p><p>WCW > Coin weights are weights which were designed to weigh coins in order to assure their quality.</p><p><br /></p><p>No. “Coin weights” are designed to check the weight of individual coins – which is the quantity of their metal – not its quality. (They will usually weigh lower than the mint issue weight – being set to some legal minimum for trade standard)</p><p><br /></p><p>WCN > The usage of coin weights, especially glass ones, goes back to Ptolemaic times.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyone ever seen such an item? (I have not)</p><p><br /></p><p>WCN > The usage of coin weights, especially glass ones, goes back to Byzantine times.</p><p><br /></p><p>Late Roman and Byzantine brass weights for solidi are common – has anyone seen weights for checking aurii or denarii coins? I never looked into that. (Byz solidi coin weights seem to be fairly common in glass)</p><p><br /></p><p>WCN > Coin weights were also known in Ancient China.</p><p><br /></p><p>This appears to be nonsense</p><p><br /></p><p>WCN > In Islamic civilization, where they are called Sanadjāt, coin weights are said to have been introduced by a Jew named Sumair in 694.</p><p><br /></p><p>Nope. Some sources credit one Samayr (or Samair) as devising the weight standard of ‘Abd al-Malik’s coinage</p><p><br /></p><p>WCN > Up to that point coins were only compared to coins of good quality.</p><p><br /></p><p>Quotes a 10th century source which is itself confused</p><p><br /></p><p>WCN > Islamic coin weights were made of bronze, iron, and later glass (considered to be unalterable).</p><p><br /></p><p>Misleading - they made glass coin weights very early</p><p><br /></p><p>WCN > They bear inscriptions related to Islamic rulers and moneyers and are therefore valuable epigraphical objects.</p><p><br /></p><p>Nope – I have noticed Caliphs and local government officials, but not moniers.</p><p><br /></p><p>WCN > Coins weights were also known in the Carolingian Empire, where they were stamped with regular coin dyes to clarify their attribution.</p><p><br /></p><p>The reference is actually to putative money weights – not coin weights. I never saw a Carolingian coin weight</p><p><br /></p><p>WCN > Islamic coin weights were introduced to Great Britain in the 9-10th century CE through the Vikings.</p><p><br /></p><p>In general – Vikings did not use coins but bullion by weight. Essentially by that time Islam was doing the same. So neither are strictly coin weights. Also Viking and Islamic weight standards were not the same……..</p><p><br /></p><p>Hard to find anything which is actually correct............</p><p><br /></p><p>Rob T</p><p><br /></p><p>A lot of the above seems to come from just one source - itself confused…...</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://isamveri.org/pdfdkm/18/DKM180792.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://isamveri.org/pdfdkm/18/DKM180792.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://isamveri.org/pdfdkm/18/DKM180792.pdf</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 4549555, member: 93416"]A thought on the Wikipedia entry “Coin Weights”: [I]How did things get this bad?[/I] [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coin_weights#cite_ref-Arnold_1-4[/URL] WCW > Coin weights are weights which were designed to weigh coins in order to assure their quality. No. “Coin weights” are designed to check the weight of individual coins – which is the quantity of their metal – not its quality. (They will usually weigh lower than the mint issue weight – being set to some legal minimum for trade standard) WCN > The usage of coin weights, especially glass ones, goes back to Ptolemaic times. Anyone ever seen such an item? (I have not) WCN > The usage of coin weights, especially glass ones, goes back to Byzantine times. Late Roman and Byzantine brass weights for solidi are common – has anyone seen weights for checking aurii or denarii coins? I never looked into that. (Byz solidi coin weights seem to be fairly common in glass) WCN > Coin weights were also known in Ancient China. This appears to be nonsense WCN > In Islamic civilization, where they are called Sanadjāt, coin weights are said to have been introduced by a Jew named Sumair in 694. Nope. Some sources credit one Samayr (or Samair) as devising the weight standard of ‘Abd al-Malik’s coinage WCN > Up to that point coins were only compared to coins of good quality. Quotes a 10th century source which is itself confused WCN > Islamic coin weights were made of bronze, iron, and later glass (considered to be unalterable). Misleading - they made glass coin weights very early WCN > They bear inscriptions related to Islamic rulers and moneyers and are therefore valuable epigraphical objects. Nope – I have noticed Caliphs and local government officials, but not moniers. WCN > Coins weights were also known in the Carolingian Empire, where they were stamped with regular coin dyes to clarify their attribution. The reference is actually to putative money weights – not coin weights. I never saw a Carolingian coin weight WCN > Islamic coin weights were introduced to Great Britain in the 9-10th century CE through the Vikings. In general – Vikings did not use coins but bullion by weight. Essentially by that time Islam was doing the same. So neither are strictly coin weights. Also Viking and Islamic weight standards were not the same…….. Hard to find anything which is actually correct............ Rob T A lot of the above seems to come from just one source - itself confused…... [URL]http://isamveri.org/pdfdkm/18/DKM180792.pdf[/URL][/QUOTE]
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