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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;medoraman, post: 1272265, member: 26302&quot;]I would agree with Doug, by definition all toning is damage. A quick background why I say that:</p><p><br /></p><p>In the past toned coins were generally unfavored. They make it hard to see damage to the coin, and were artificially put on many coins to cover up damage. So, white coins were preferred. That is fine, except silver tones easily. So, most toned coins were dipped to remove toning and make them white. The only problem is they are still silver so retone. Dipping is also damage, as it removes thin layers of the surface. You can do this a few times, but after that the coin loses its luster.</p><p><br /></p><p>Basically both dipping and toning are damage of luster. Knowing that, (and the fact that toning can be pretty, I collected toned coins before they were &quot;cool&quot;), collectors began collecting ORIGINAL SURFACE toned coins. The higher prices being paid for toned coins were really for the original surfaces in many ways, since the toned coins back then were never dipped and 100% original, which should be worth more.</p><p><br /></p><p>The problem with all of this started when retoned coins started selling for original toned prices, and then AT started because of high prices for toned coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Bottom line, (to me), both toning and most white coins have damage. The toning itself is damage but helps protect the rest of the coin. Most white coins are damaged since most have been dipped at least once. If a toned coin has original luster underneath the toning then it could be worth a premium, but that premium should be for the surfaces, not the toning really. This is the disconnect I feel most new toned coin collectors don&#039;t get, a lot of the premium some of these coins are worth is not the color, but since this is a more advanced idea most newbies simply do not understand that part and pay higher prices for any coin of color.</p><p><br /></p><p>My thoughts anyway. Take them with a grain of salt that US coins got too weird for me, and I generally am a grumpy young guy, but a year older today. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Chris[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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