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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 451162, member: 15309"]Thanks Eddie, I do love my toners. I am aware that many people think that toned coins are a fad/craze. However, I think we should consider that there is probably going to be a middle ground on the issue. Doug pointed out earlier that very few collectors would pay more than 2X bid premium for rainbow toned coins before the craze. Now we see rainbow toned coins routinely selling for 10X-20X-30X+ bid price. </p><p><br /></p><p>There seems to be a consensus that someday, the craze will end and prices for these coins will crash. I have no doubt that the toned coins will not be as popular as they currently are, but I do not think that we will revert back to the days of the 2X bid premium either. Many collectors of rainbow toned coins become toning freaks. They do not consider it a fad and are hooked for life (myself included). These collectors will not drop the their toned coins because something new comes along. The casual toned coin collector might do just that, but if they are currently a casual collector of toned coins, they are probably not one of the collectors paying 10X+ bid.</p><p><br /></p><p>The casual collectors of toned coins will likely change their collecting habits which will reduce the overall demand for these coins and cause prices to drop. However, I believe that the monster toned coins are so limited in supply that the die hard toning freaks will still fight over them and pay huge premiums. I think that the moderately toned coins will be the ones that lose most of their value. </p><p><br /></p><p>We also need to consider that one of the main reasons for the toning craze was born on the internet and the availability of color photographs as Doug astutely pointed out. That will not change in the future and infact, technological advances will probably make it easier for people to photograph such coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>IMO, the biggest threat to the toned coin market is artificial toning. If the TPG's encapsulate too many AT coins, consumer confidence in slabbed toned coins will erode along with the customer base and prices. PCGS is absolutely killing me in this regard. Some of the ASE's slabbed by PCGS make me sick. They are pretty but do not belong in a PCGS slab. They are obviously AT which will lead collectors to believe that PCGS encapsulates AT coins. Once that perception is reached, the toned coin market will collapse.</p><p><br /></p><p>Speaking of paying moon money for rainbow toned coins, take a look at this E-Bay auction.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D230127444345%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWA%3AIT%26ih%3D013" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D230127444345%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWA%3AIT%26ih%3D013" rel="nofollow">http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230127444345&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Now we all know that I will pay handsomely for a rainbow toned coin and have on occasion paid 20X bid for a $50 coin, but this asking price is ridiculous. Numismedia Wholesale for an 1885-O Morgan is $53. This price of this coin is $7000. The seller is asking for over 130X wholesale price. People who are buying and selling toned coins at these ridiculous levels are going to get crushed IMO.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 451162, member: 15309"]Thanks Eddie, I do love my toners. I am aware that many people think that toned coins are a fad/craze. However, I think we should consider that there is probably going to be a middle ground on the issue. Doug pointed out earlier that very few collectors would pay more than 2X bid premium for rainbow toned coins before the craze. Now we see rainbow toned coins routinely selling for 10X-20X-30X+ bid price. There seems to be a consensus that someday, the craze will end and prices for these coins will crash. I have no doubt that the toned coins will not be as popular as they currently are, but I do not think that we will revert back to the days of the 2X bid premium either. Many collectors of rainbow toned coins become toning freaks. They do not consider it a fad and are hooked for life (myself included). These collectors will not drop the their toned coins because something new comes along. The casual toned coin collector might do just that, but if they are currently a casual collector of toned coins, they are probably not one of the collectors paying 10X+ bid. The casual collectors of toned coins will likely change their collecting habits which will reduce the overall demand for these coins and cause prices to drop. However, I believe that the monster toned coins are so limited in supply that the die hard toning freaks will still fight over them and pay huge premiums. I think that the moderately toned coins will be the ones that lose most of their value. We also need to consider that one of the main reasons for the toning craze was born on the internet and the availability of color photographs as Doug astutely pointed out. That will not change in the future and infact, technological advances will probably make it easier for people to photograph such coins. IMO, the biggest threat to the toned coin market is artificial toning. If the TPG's encapsulate too many AT coins, consumer confidence in slabbed toned coins will erode along with the customer base and prices. PCGS is absolutely killing me in this regard. Some of the ASE's slabbed by PCGS make me sick. They are pretty but do not belong in a PCGS slab. They are obviously AT which will lead collectors to believe that PCGS encapsulates AT coins. Once that perception is reached, the toned coin market will collapse. Speaking of paying moon money for rainbow toned coins, take a look at this E-Bay auction. [URL="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2FeBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26rd%3D1%26item%3D230127444345%26ssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWA%3AIT%26ih%3D013"]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=230127444345&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=013[/URL] Now we all know that I will pay handsomely for a rainbow toned coin and have on occasion paid 20X bid for a $50 coin, but this asking price is ridiculous. Numismedia Wholesale for an 1885-O Morgan is $53. This price of this coin is $7000. The seller is asking for over 130X wholesale price. People who are buying and selling toned coins at these ridiculous levels are going to get crushed IMO.[/QUOTE]
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