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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 3814831, member: 24314"]jeffB, posted: "And yet, here you are in this thread TITLED <b>Why isn't "Machine Doubling" Considered an Error?</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p>Did you perhaps misread the title as "Machine doubling is obviously an error, let's fight"? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Edit to add: I've accepted that MD isn't considered an error. I'm still a bit puzzled by the rationale, though. "Because it happens after the coin is struck" seems to beg the question of when the coin is <i>done</i> being struck, and would also seem to eliminate double-struck coins. But I'm probably just a victim of too many logical-theory classes."</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie15" alt=":arghh:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie15" alt=":arghh:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie15" alt=":arghh:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie15" alt=":arghh:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie15" alt=":arghh:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie15" alt=":arghh:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Answered many times in the discussion. Once more and thankfully last time from me <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />: A machined doubled coin (or a weakly struck one for that matter) is not the way the coin was intended to look. THEREFORE, if anyone wishes to consider it an error of some kind, fine. However, the Mint does not care what you do and what you wish to discuss. Either do many numismatists. Since the OP has said that is not his position - he understands the consensus opinion posted here - I apologize for keeping this part of the thread alive. </p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=92083]@JCro57[/USER] posted: "I am literally beside myself in amazement after reading this. I left absolutely nothing out. I made a claim, provided the link. Perhaps I am wrong, but to me and many other error collectors, a <b>struck fragment</b> implies it was a fragment before it entered, not that it was complete when it first entered and then became a fragment. And of course it "is" a fragment, but terminology in one area doesn't mean the same in another. For example, a die variety arises from an error in how the die was hubbed if it was unintentional, but they aren't called "errors" because the term "error" in numismatics means something different."</p><p><br /></p><p>I agree with your argument! Hopefully you can get the full attribution on your label. If you were here, I'd give you a quarter to call someone who cares - NGC? </p><p><br /></p><p><i>Now, let's please see some of the OTHER (over a dozen) MISTAKES <span style="color: #b300b3">you <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie26" alt=":bookworm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie33" alt=":cigar:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />claim to possess.</span> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> So far, I've seen <b><span style="color: #b30000">ZERO</span></b>! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I'm wondering if they even exist and why you have not gotten the TPGS to correct all their <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> mistakes you claim to have.</i>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 3814831, member: 24314"]jeffB, posted: "And yet, here you are in this thread TITLED [B]Why isn't "Machine Doubling" Considered an Error? [/B] Did you perhaps misread the title as "Machine doubling is obviously an error, let's fight"? ;) Edit to add: I've accepted that MD isn't considered an error. I'm still a bit puzzled by the rationale, though. "Because it happens after the coin is struck" seems to beg the question of when the coin is [I]done[/I] being struck, and would also seem to eliminate double-struck coins. But I'm probably just a victim of too many logical-theory classes." :arghh::arghh::arghh::arghh::arghh::arghh: Answered many times in the discussion. Once more and thankfully last time from me :p: A machined doubled coin (or a weakly struck one for that matter) is not the way the coin was intended to look. THEREFORE, if anyone wishes to consider it an error of some kind, fine. However, the Mint does not care what you do and what you wish to discuss. Either do many numismatists. Since the OP has said that is not his position - he understands the consensus opinion posted here - I apologize for keeping this part of the thread alive. [USER=92083]@JCro57[/USER] posted: "I am literally beside myself in amazement after reading this. I left absolutely nothing out. I made a claim, provided the link. Perhaps I am wrong, but to me and many other error collectors, a [B]struck fragment[/B] implies it was a fragment before it entered, not that it was complete when it first entered and then became a fragment. And of course it "is" a fragment, but terminology in one area doesn't mean the same in another. For example, a die variety arises from an error in how the die was hubbed if it was unintentional, but they aren't called "errors" because the term "error" in numismatics means something different." I agree with your argument! Hopefully you can get the full attribution on your label. If you were here, I'd give you a quarter to call someone who cares - NGC? [I]Now, let's please see some of the OTHER (over a dozen) MISTAKES [COLOR=#b300b3]you :bookworm::cigar:claim to possess.[/COLOR] :jawdrop: So far, I've seen [B][COLOR=#b30000]ZERO[/COLOR][/B]! :( I'm wondering if they even exist and why you have not gotten the TPGS to correct all their :bucktooth: mistakes you claim to have.[/I][/QUOTE]
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