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<p>[QUOTE="-jeffB, post: 1341082, member: 27832"]I don't think it would be hard at all. An eBay employee would see an unobscured list of bidders for every auction; that makes things a lot easier.</p><p><br /></p><p>The suspicious pattern here is:</p><p><br /></p><p>User Alice lists an item.</p><p><br /></p><p>User Bob places a bid.</p><p><br /></p><p>User Eve places a series of bids, continuing until she exceeds Bob's maximum bid. She then <i>retracts</i> that last bid, and places another one, exactly matching Bob's maximum. Since Bob bid that amount first, he gets the high bid.</p><p><br /></p><p>First of all, I can't see <i>any</i> justification other than shill bidding for this behavior. Why place a bid that you know will only <i>match</i>, not exceed, another bidder's maximum?</p><p><br /></p><p>Be that as it may, if you see that Eve is doing this same thing repeatedly on Alice's auctions, it's extremely strong evidence of collusion, whether or not Alice and Eve are connecting from the same IP or geographic location. You don't have to troll through massive logs; you just have to search for Alice's auctions that Eve bid on. I have to imagine that eBay has tools for their employees to do that with ease.</p><p><br /></p><p>Personally, I think that Eve should get NARU'ed for abusing the bid-retraction facility regardless. But I just can't see any explanation for this behavior other than shill bidding. What am I missing?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="-jeffB, post: 1341082, member: 27832"]I don't think it would be hard at all. An eBay employee would see an unobscured list of bidders for every auction; that makes things a lot easier. The suspicious pattern here is: User Alice lists an item. User Bob places a bid. User Eve places a series of bids, continuing until she exceeds Bob's maximum bid. She then [I]retracts[/I] that last bid, and places another one, exactly matching Bob's maximum. Since Bob bid that amount first, he gets the high bid. First of all, I can't see [I]any[/I] justification other than shill bidding for this behavior. Why place a bid that you know will only [I]match[/I], not exceed, another bidder's maximum? Be that as it may, if you see that Eve is doing this same thing repeatedly on Alice's auctions, it's extremely strong evidence of collusion, whether or not Alice and Eve are connecting from the same IP or geographic location. You don't have to troll through massive logs; you just have to search for Alice's auctions that Eve bid on. I have to imagine that eBay has tools for their employees to do that with ease. Personally, I think that Eve should get NARU'ed for abusing the bid-retraction facility regardless. But I just can't see any explanation for this behavior other than shill bidding. What am I missing?[/QUOTE]
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