Why is there such a difference in prices with price guides?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Krd046, Apr 19, 2017.

  1. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    I'd add Great Collections to Heritage since their auction archive is public. I've bought many nice coins in the past from their weekly auctions and in general, the winning bids are on par with Heritage with lower buyers fees.
     
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  3. cladking

    cladking Coin Collector

    Redbook grossly understates the value of moderns. Bluebook doesn't even list most moderns in the grades they are typically collected.

    You'll be horribly misled.
     
  4. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect since I was a baby

    For coppers, there's a big jump for red early Lincoln and Indian cents. In this case the Redbook values are low. For brown examples they are too high. Of course I'm looking at unc coins.
     
  5. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    "Nobody goes there anymore, it's too crowded."

    I don't care whether or not I can trust eBay prices as long as I can get eBay prices... :)
     
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  6. WingedLiberty

    WingedLiberty Well-Known Member

    Kind of a left field question. But where did the term kool aid drinker come from? What is the meaning and where did the meaning come from.

    Wasn't there a jim jones incident where he poisoned his followers w kool aid -- is there some sort of death slant w that saying?

    Ive seen multiple people post about pcgs kool aid drinkers -- and it seems to be in a disparaging way.

    Have always been curious about that
     
  7. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Yep, People's Temple.

    "Drinking the Kool-Aid" means following the crowd in something obviously stupid, and it's always disparaging.
     
  8. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Those books are meant to be good starting places, but they do not adequately reflect market trends when put up against realized auction prices in the same calendar year (as the book).

    It's a matter of accuracy. The auctions that closed yesterday are a more realistic indication of a coin's worth than a publication put out months ago.
     
  9. mynamespat

    mynamespat Well-Known Member

    I remember asking a coin dealer about a slabbed coin ~15 years ago and he laughed and told me they were stupid. The internet has definitely played a large part in their rise, but I also believe it has a lot to do with clever marketing.

    A cult of personality arises when an individual uses mass media, propaganda, or other methods to create an idealized, heroic, and at times worshipful image, often through unquestioning flattery and praise
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult_of_personality
    or
     
  10. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Want a little irony? The Mega Red actually reports auction results. THAT'S how important they are.
     
  11. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    I thought that was fish oil.......... devil.gif
     
  12. Dancing Fire

    Dancing Fire Junior Member

    Yup, why let a crazy fool set the price? just b/c he was foolish enough to pay $1650 doesn't mean others should follow...:banghead:
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yes, that is a piece of the explanation, but only a tiny piece. The real issue, or problem, with price guides, and I mean all of them, is the sources they use to establish the prices. In most cases the sources turn out to be nothing more than dealer asking prices.

    So why is that a problem ? It's quite simple, it's because dealer asking prices can vary by as much as 100% or more. In other words dealer A may be asking $300 for a coin while dealer B is asking $600 for the very same coin. And if you ask the same 2 dealers about another coin that situation may reverse, A may be asking double what B is asking for that particular coin.

    Once you understand this, it's quite easy to understand why price guides differ so much from each other. This guide asks that group of dealers what their asking prices are, and that guide asks a different group of dealers what their asking prices are. So of course the values put into the price guides are going to be grossly different - since each guide is using a different source or sources.
     
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