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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;bhp3rd, post: 826709, member: 16510&quot;]Trying not repeat anything foundinrolls said as he is right on target as always in addition,,,</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Good for you for asking, I wish more folks would come right out and ask like this!</p><p>I like to say &quot;doubling does not a doubled die make&quot;!&nbsp; Please take the time to understand this.&nbsp; We call a &quot;doubled&quot; die coin a doubled die but we should (if we could go back in time) call it a coin struck from a doubled die.&nbsp; <i>This is only one reason I hate these MD, MDD, DDS phrases as they polute the understanding cause this ain&#039;t real easy to begin with but I digress.</i></p><p>To answer you question a little more, we study the hubbing of die itself then we study the coins struck by it - that&#039;s why it is called a doubled, not double die.&nbsp; The die before it ever stuck the first coin has been doubled (by multible incorrectly positioned hubbings, (keeping it simple here) and not the coins surface as in mechanical/machiine doubling.</p><p>Coins struck early on are more valuble as they are &quot;EDS&quot; or &quot;early die state&quot; coins that show us the doubling of that die so much more clearly.&nbsp; &quot;MDS&quot; or &quot;mid die state&quot; are coins struck later and then there is &quot;LDS&quot; for &quot;late die state&quot; and all degress in between.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><b>We are amazed by and study the die production, (hubbing) and but not the machine doing the striking of coins so much.&nbsp; The machine at any momment can be adjusted to create coins with mechanical doubling.&nbsp; For that matter you could push with a heavy object the area of the dies during coining and make all the machine doubled coins you wanted.&nbsp; You could loosen the luggs holding the dies and do the same but there is nothing you could possibly do after coining begins, with correctly prepared dies in place, to strike coins that are true doubled dies!</b></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><b>It&#039;s the die not the coins first.&nbsp; Of course the coins are needed to reveal &quot;that there is fact a doubled die in place doing the striking&quot;!!!</b></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>If you learn how dies are made you will then, like a light bulb going off, know why doubled dies are valuble and sought after and why mechanically doubled coins are just a mess.</p><p>Hope this helps you.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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