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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;bahabully, post: 1183234, member: 17555&quot;]Or... old Roy made a few counterfit &quot;s&quot; mints before being snagged.... a few folks with abit of pull got thier hands on them.... and then lobbied ($) the mint to call them genuine so they could make a quick 100k or so.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><a href="http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/1969S1cDDFound.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/1969S1cDDFound.htm" rel="nofollow">http://koinpro.tripod.com/Articles/1969S1cDDFound.htm</a></p><p>&quot;....The 1969-S doubled die cent has an interesting history in that shortly after it was discovered in 1970, examples sent into the US Treasury Department for verification were consequently declared counterfeits and confiscated. Several respected hobby representatives continued to insist that they were genuine based on where they were found and on the diagnostics exhibited on the coins. As it turned out, the counterfeits were actually dated 1969 (with no mintmark) and were produced to defraud collectors. According to John Wexler in his cover story in the February 28,1981 issue of Error-Variety News, (where he shows excellent images of the counterfeit 1969 doubled die provided by Alan Herbert) Roy Gray and Mort Goodman received prison sentences for their involvement in the counterfeiting scheme. According to Wexler&#039;s article, <i>The 1969 1c Counterfeit Doubled Die</i> on page 140 of his 1984 book, <i>The Lincoln Cent Doubled Die,</i> the the counterfeits were confiscated from the home of Roy Gray in 1969, apparently long before the genuine 1969-S doubled dies were even discovered. Later when the government reversed their position on the 1969-S doubled dies, at least some of the genuine pieces were returned to collectors.&quot;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>As to mint employee&#039;s having fun back in the day....&nbsp; take a quick look at the wisconsin up and down leaf.&nbsp;&nbsp; I for one don&#039;t buy the die debris idea, and employee with a hand tool seems more likely to me.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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