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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Colonialjohn, post: 2367123, member: 57741&quot;]Again - what I find in this forum which is useful to me is most conversations are <b>not</b> very historical or scientific but center around grading disputes, cleaning vs. not cleaning and U.S. Federal/Ancient coin attributions with some exceptions. At times these back and forth comments do have a lot of good information in understanding the current main stream of this hobby (or business) and most people&#039;s opinions on its current course and&nbsp; its associated problems. With these subject matters there is always controversy. So normally if a Moderator comes in and gives an opinion just digest it/analyze it and move on ... in Numismatics normally after awhile we become elitists in our specialty groups just like I have become (right or wrong) with Contemporary Circulating Counterfeits. I will admit I have less patience with young collectors but still try but then again I avoid discussions generally about grading and cleaning although I do sell my copper cleaner generally only to advanced collectors who are willing to pay the high price - since its expensive to make and indirectly they are desperate. I think we have all seen that 1965-D Kennedy Half Dollar in MS68 (toned) in Coin World recently that went for that dollar amount. How can you have an intelligent discussion with something like that or as Bower&#039;s has recently termed it - Gradflation in one of his columns. For that kind of money I could have purchased this U.S. Colonial, that ancient or this medieval silver piece, etc..</p><p>I will admit ... that one comment that said I break my coin out of my TPG and then put it into an album ... now that is STUPID! LOL. Some U.S. Colonial collectors do that for tradition ... but even today ... they do keep ALL the TPG labeling with the raw coin now in a flip ... but then again I have opened a grading discussion or a TPG discussion ... I can duck very well ... LOL.</p><p><br /></p><p>John Lorenzo</p><p>United States[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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