Why does it seem that the older numismatists

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Cole Taylor, Mar 1, 2016.

  1. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    You certainly know better than I... was just a few possibilities. :)

    I still can't help wondering about/what's behind the odd offer number, if just a percentage or exactly how they came up with it. You could still run the same coin by the owner to see if the offer changes; at the very least it might tell you more about the nephew.
     
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  3. Silverhouse

    Silverhouse Well-Known Member

    Here is 2015 D Blue Ridge. I took these the other morning after I got home from work. Actually, the morning I received it in change. The obverse is not like the reverse, it has reflection, but a more satin look to it, compared to the other side. Def. not MS, I would say AU if I am lucky. Could even be an XF. I will get better shots. I'll take some more in the morning. Natural light seems to work better with with my little flitzy camera. If it wasn't so small I could use it as a shaving mirror. LOL
     

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  4. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    I wouldn't have spent the money to have it graded, but hey that's just me. I'm the kind of guy that likes to break coin out of slabs and stick them in albums. Some would say that I'm crazy for doing that (and I'm sure many other things as well).

    To the OPs post though. Yes, at times it does seem like there are a few that would answer quickly and maybe with negative comments, but are the right most of the time? My guy tells me he's though I'm not sure which posts or members you are talking about specifically. To tell you the truth, after being on other forums, this one is extremely friendly in comparison. I think once you get to know the personalities of the posters, that you will find some of their comments humerus and spot on for the most part. Having said all that, I do think that we would be better served as a forum to the numismatic community and to non collectors seeking help if we took our time to answer their questions while providing a bit of the reasoning behind our opinions. It does get old answering the same questions all of the time, but that's what the boards are for; if one thread doesn't interest you, move on to the next.

    Signed a middle aged mid life crisis suffering lover of shiny pieces of metal.
     
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  5. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    History has shown that old ones have learned things that some never do. Yes, some younger ones have the new knowledge, but not the experience, and sometimes do not understand history, for the future. The old, are not limited by not having a formal education, but from actual experiences, that regular one's formal education doesn't give. Some, with a great book education, cannot see or do what books have given them. We are all unique.
     
  6. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    The OP joined this morning, made two insulting posts and quickly vanished. Even money says we'll never see him again unless it's under another name.
     
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  7. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

    As a "general rule" coins pulled from circulation should never be sent in for grading with the intent of turning a profit........UNLESS

    1. The Collector wants it for his/her collection and simply cannot live with out it.
    OR
    2. The coin is a popular and easily sold variety that DOES NOT require the Variety Attribution Fee
    OR
    3. The coin is of extremely high grade

    Number 3 is where a lot of collectors end up wasting their resources since what may "appear" to be extremely high grade must absolutely be compared against hundreds of coins which are the exact same denomination and design.

    The highest grade I ever received for a coin pulled from circulation was a 2003-D Missouri State Quarter at MS67. At the time, State Quarters were very popular and the PCGS Price Guide reflected a value of $45. Today, that value sits at $8. $22 if its a 67+. Neither price is reflective of what it would actually sell for today.
    BUT, I found it, was proud of it, had it graded and it made me smile.

    I would never do that today since I've learned to be w-a-a-a-y more selective with my submissions and coins that I want to preserve, preserve quite well in a .02 cent 2x2.

    So, I missed on items 1 and 2, thought I had item 3 but 12 years later find out I missed on that one as well despite the advise from better collectors than me.

    Newbies. Pay attention since getting coins graded can be exciting and very rewarding "if you KNOW what you are doing." Otherwise, it eventually becomes the elephant in the room where you have to decide what to do with it when you hit that Coin Collecting Lull and/or need to raise some money.

    No hard feelings intended but very few people actually "hit the ground running" in the coin grading arena and the general thrust today seems to be that if your coin isn't professionally graded then it might as well be pocket change.
     
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  8. Silverhouse

    Silverhouse Well-Known Member

    I hear ya. It is difficult to find high grade business strikes. I will keep searching and learning thats part the fun.
     
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  9. coinzip

    coinzip Well-Known Member

    I prefer a top hat... :)

    I'm not over 50 yet.

    I would rather remain silent and be thought a fool than open my mouth and remove all doubt.

    While I do feel that some members constantly make posts in threads that are off topic, discouraging, and even libelous, I do not allow it to offend me.
     
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  10. Brett_in_Sacto

    Brett_in_Sacto Well-Known Member

    Welcome to the interweb - where it takes all types - including me -(and thankfully only one - for everyone's sake)...

     
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  11. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Not sure if your pics are hiding anything but that looks like a 65 to me. I'd say worth sending on an economy submission if you had other stuff to go with
     
  12. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    It may be hard for our, gasp, future leaders to grasp, but some old folk actually made it to skool and got da book learnin. We may have had to walk 6 miles (10 to high school and 23 for college) in the year-round snow, uphill in both directions, to get there, but we did make it.

    Believe it or not, it wasn't Little House on the Prairie..... short of no computers, and our generally longer attention spans, it wasn't all that different from today. The earlier fool who so brilliantly implied we're all a bunch of idiots with "limited education" did nothing more than put his assumptive ignorance on display for all to see.

    We were younger once, and we too thought we knew everything; all too often, the older generations were pitiful fools worthy only of contempt and ridicule. At our then ripe old ages of 15-20, perhaps even 30 or more in some cases, we knew everything there was to know, just like the youth of today, but then a funny thing happened. As we too grew older, the barely able to function morons who came before us, as if by magic, started showing intelligence and became worthy of respect. The things they said and tried to teach us started to make sense, and once even more air left our empty heads, we began to realize that it wasn't them who were the fools, but us. One can only hope those of the younger generations, the ones with their heads so far up their rears they fail to see there is more to life than their little world, will come out and breath the fresh air. Every one of us, young or old, has the potential to learn something from every single person we come into contact with, from the bum on the street on up. Assumptions be damned.
     
  13. silentnviolent

    silentnviolent accumulator--selling--make an offer I can't refuse

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  14. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    To the OP, I understand that one word answers can seem rude, but I have a hard time believing that you would prefer that we spend 4 paragraphs telling you why you are wrong.
     
  15. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Are you the "big toe" Brett :hilarious:
     
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  16. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Here is a thought, you have been a member since, well, yesterday.

    You have to realize that we get hundreds of identical questions each & evey year.

    So, sometimes, rather that ignore a post or poster, we answer with the same response that we have posted dozens of times.

    In the interim, the OP could have searched for an answer instead, and then everyone would have been happy.

    Toughen up, life on the internet is harsh.

    :)
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Attributed to Mark Twain -

    "At the age of seventeen Mark says he thought his father the most ignorant man in all the world and just couldn’t stand him about. At the age of twenty-three he found that his father knew a few things and he could put up with him occasionally; at the age of twenty-seven he knew that his father was the smartest man in all the world and he just doted on having him about."

    Now whether Mark Twain actually said that or not is not the point, but the point should be obvious.

    That said, I am one of the old farts. I do have the ponytail. I do sit in front of my computer all day. But the hat, the hat is like the one in my avatar. And don't forget the glasses ;)
     
  18. Silverhouse

    Silverhouse Well-Known Member

    I value what the older folks say. And in this hobby on the outset compared to others I really know nothing. I know at little bit, but that little bit is just a smidge on the big iceberg of Numismatics.
     
  19. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    I don't think it's any more blatant than any other field where experience weighs heavily. Academia and CEO's are examples where beginners get eaten alive!

    The internet also allows character defects to glow unabashed.

    Perhaps one could look at it like an old time alchemy guild. You know......the ones where the hooded adepts hit their interns a tap over the head with their magic staffs!
     
  20. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    :)
     
  21. JPeace$

    JPeace$ Coinaholic

    Interesting thread.

    I've been here a little over three years. I'm still a Newb in this hobby and I enjoy learning from ALL the posters on this site. Just like in life, everyone has a point and we all make it "differently". Yes, I've seen rude posts on this site. BUT, age wasn't the determining factor. It was that posters personality.

    BTW, I am over 50, have a college education, 30+ years of business experience in multiple industries, I enjoy wearing baseball hats at times, I don't have a pony tail and I have a thick skin.
     
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