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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Insider, post: 2515602, member: 24314&quot;]Unfortunately, there is no &quot;face&quot; to express my frustration with this thread. </p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=46237]@Jaelus[/USER] <span style="color: #ff0000">You are 100% correct.</span>&nbsp; As you wrote: &quot;The textbook definition of a proof is therefore irrelevant to this discussion.&quot;&nbsp; For the OP&#039;s coin <span style="color: #b300b3">ONLY its thickness</span> is the determination.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />&nbsp; Apparently, NGC has a copy of Krause (WHICH I QUOTED FROM) that says <span style="color: #b300b3">when these coins are on a thin planchet they are CONSIDERED TO BE MINT STATE and NOT PROOF!</span>&nbsp; <span style="color: #ff0000">I don&#039;t know</span> if what is in Krause is true.&nbsp; <span style="color: #ff0000">I don&#039;t know</span> if the coin is thin or thick.&nbsp; I can see that the coin has a mirror surface, even in the holder. </p><p><br /></p><p>As to other coins posted on this thread: <span style="color: #ff0000">I do know </span><span style="color: #000000">there are certain characteristics usually found on Proof coins.&nbsp; <span style="color: #ff0000">I do know</span> that the diagnostics found on many Proof issues are documented by researchers.&nbsp; <span style="color: #ff0000">I do know</span> that the professionals at TPGS are not perfect. <span style="color: #ff0000"> I do know</span> that many professional dealers in foreign coins know MUCH LESS than you would think.&nbsp; </span></p><p><br /></p><p>This is not complicated!&nbsp; If the OP and the rest of you have questions about ANY coins that have been graded by a TPGS; <span style="color: #ff0000">CALL THE SERVICE</span> and <span style="color: #ff0000">ask them</span>.&nbsp; If you don&#039;t get satisfaction, use another TPGS.&nbsp; Simple.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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