I know grading standards have changed over the years but even an older ms60, wonders what the problem is on the coin, I cant see it and was wondering if anyone can tell me why it got an ms60? And what do you think it would grade today? https://www.ebay.com/itm/275053495099?hash=item400a77433b:g:tP4AAOSwHhhhrQhk
I feel the coin has lost a great deal of luster over the years. Maybe a few too many dips in it's life. I can't really tell who graded it.
I'm assuming it's just a coin dealer's flip with insert. Please don't shoot ole blind Bob, he's doing the best he can.
It isn't "graded", just a number on the flip. Can't tell anything about surface preservation from the photos, but looks overly bright.
AU details and I wouldn't call it graded,just a piece of paper with a number and some details,wouldn't consider buying this coin either.
My issue is it's not graded. Plus the seller has few sales of mixed items from coins to books to clothes. Also, if I was selling a coin I would have better pictures, especially not ones using the automatic crop out the background eBay feature. Their's is a little better...lol. Coin in a separate mylar pouch in the flip then heat sealed. At least you could detect tampering this way. But I only own 2 ICCS coins, a Maundy penny and a Canadian test token, so maybe the process is different with larger coins.
Buying raw Trade Dollars is dangerous because of the counterfeit problem. The pictures provided here are not good enough to pass judgement on this piece. This would have been an emphatic pass for me.
The MS-60 is from the days when everything was MS-60, Unc- but not very attractive; MS-63 Choice Unc; and MS-65 Really, really nice.
Counterfeit trade dollars have been around for quite a while. I still have my "tuition" coin. I was working on a 19th century type set during the late 70s when I was teen. I saved all the lawn mowing, snow shoveling, and birthday money to buy coins. Payed $55 for one, which at the time was the most I ever paid for a coin. Found out about 10 years later it was a decent fake. I'm still disappointed.
It's great that you stayed with the hobby after you were cheated. To me, counterfeits are the worst of all. At least if you have something that is genuine, you can enjoy the fact that it come from the era indicated by the date even if it's over graded, damaged or cleaned.
