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<p>[QUOTE="KennyMac, post: 1093037, member: 23222"]This whole thread (so far), has probably been one of the most interesting, stimulating, funny, informative, eye-opening (and oft times "cringe worthy"), topic of discussion that's been a downright pleasure to read......and I have seriously learned quite a bit.</p><p> </p><p>I don't collect toned coins "on purpose", but I do have some......</p><p>The only reason I have them is because I liked the way they looked... and for all intents and purposes, they were free (some I got in rolls, and some of them with my change for a purchase).</p><p> </p><p>Toned coins, (whether Artificially Toned or Naturally Toned) seems to be quite a touchy subject, and I can understand why........</p><p> </p><p>No one can tell the difference between a NT'd coin, and an AT'd coin (providing it doesn't look like it's been rattle canned), and I get that.</p><p> </p><p>Certain individuals seem to place a premium on those toned coins simply because they are what they are....toned...........Ok, 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder', (or the beerholder, or the coin holder (whatever).....Ok, I get that too (some of them ARE stunning).</p><p> </p><p>Certain individuals seem to be "in a quandry", (ok, they seem to be pizzed off ) because a premium has been put on an item that is questionable in and of itself....for reasons that can neither be proven nor disproven.......(that sounds reasonable.... I definately wouldn't buy what someone claimed to be a Picasso if it wasn't signed by Picasso and there was no provenance attesting to the artist).</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Certainly there are TPG'ers who are 'gun shy' about slabbing toned coins.....(fool me once, shame on you...fool me a crapload of times/make me look bad/cost me money, then shame on me, etc).</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I'm not surprised at how passionate some individuals are on this subject.....</p><p> </p><p>If someone was trying to prove to me that something that I valued had NO Value, I'd be pretty mad.......(and considering all the invested time/money/emotions, etc I'd try to REALLY prove my point).</p><p> </p><p>If someone was trying to prove to me that something had value (above and beyond it's base), and I could clearly see the potential for that value to be not only hypothetical, but fraudulent as well, I'd be pretty mad too.......and I'd try and prove my point......("can't they see it for what it is?").</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>And if someone took a poll of who was "right" and who was "wrong" in regards to this subject, there would be NO winner.......just an opinion.</p><p>(and sometimes opinions are like cloacal vents....everybody has one, and even then it generally stinks).</p><p> </p><p>So, at the end of the day........I think this could certainly be a case of "why don't we just agree to disagree?"........</p><p>(and if degrades into fisticuffs, who's gonna hold the bets?....'cuz my money would be on the old guy in the hat....I'm just sayin).</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>(and whoever came up with.... "If the grade don't fit, you must re-submit!" .....is a freakin genius....THAT was funny.)</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I need to get a little sleep....we're gonna have a memorial for Bill Xxxxxx (one of our 976-Tuna Pro-Staffers)..we'll be at Pierpoint Landing in Long Beach (next to the Long Beach Aquarium), where we will all get on the sportfishing vessel "Toronado", head out into Santa Monica Bay, and take Bill for his last boat ride. </p><p>R.I.P. Bill.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="KennyMac, post: 1093037, member: 23222"]This whole thread (so far), has probably been one of the most interesting, stimulating, funny, informative, eye-opening (and oft times "cringe worthy"), topic of discussion that's been a downright pleasure to read......and I have seriously learned quite a bit. I don't collect toned coins "on purpose", but I do have some...... The only reason I have them is because I liked the way they looked... and for all intents and purposes, they were free (some I got in rolls, and some of them with my change for a purchase). Toned coins, (whether Artificially Toned or Naturally Toned) seems to be quite a touchy subject, and I can understand why........ No one can tell the difference between a NT'd coin, and an AT'd coin (providing it doesn't look like it's been rattle canned), and I get that. Certain individuals seem to place a premium on those toned coins simply because they are what they are....toned...........Ok, 'beauty is in the eye of the beholder', (or the beerholder, or the coin holder (whatever).....Ok, I get that too (some of them ARE stunning). Certain individuals seem to be "in a quandry", (ok, they seem to be pizzed off ) because a premium has been put on an item that is questionable in and of itself....for reasons that can neither be proven nor disproven.......(that sounds reasonable.... I definately wouldn't buy what someone claimed to be a Picasso if it wasn't signed by Picasso and there was no provenance attesting to the artist). Certainly there are TPG'ers who are 'gun shy' about slabbing toned coins.....(fool me once, shame on you...fool me a crapload of times/make me look bad/cost me money, then shame on me, etc). I'm not surprised at how passionate some individuals are on this subject..... If someone was trying to prove to me that something that I valued had NO Value, I'd be pretty mad.......(and considering all the invested time/money/emotions, etc I'd try to REALLY prove my point). If someone was trying to prove to me that something had value (above and beyond it's base), and I could clearly see the potential for that value to be not only hypothetical, but fraudulent as well, I'd be pretty mad too.......and I'd try and prove my point......("can't they see it for what it is?"). And if someone took a poll of who was "right" and who was "wrong" in regards to this subject, there would be NO winner.......just an opinion. (and sometimes opinions are like cloacal vents....everybody has one, and even then it generally stinks). So, at the end of the day........I think this could certainly be a case of "why don't we just agree to disagree?"........ (and if degrades into fisticuffs, who's gonna hold the bets?....'cuz my money would be on the old guy in the hat....I'm just sayin). (and whoever came up with.... "If the grade don't fit, you must re-submit!" .....is a freakin genius....THAT was funny.) I need to get a little sleep....we're gonna have a memorial for Bill Xxxxxx (one of our 976-Tuna Pro-Staffers)..we'll be at Pierpoint Landing in Long Beach (next to the Long Beach Aquarium), where we will all get on the sportfishing vessel "Toronado", head out into Santa Monica Bay, and take Bill for his last boat ride. R.I.P. Bill.[/QUOTE]
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