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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lehigh96, post: 1090964, member: 15309&quot;]And that original sealed mint packed mint or proof set could have been improperly stored to achieve the toning.&nbsp; In that case, they are problem coins just the same as an AT coin and deserved to get bagged</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That is correct.&nbsp; Judging toning is a game of incomplete information.&nbsp; It is much like poker in that regard.&nbsp; When viewing a toned coin, you analyze the toning and the indicators that you see in order to render your judgment.&nbsp; There are coins that are 50 to 1 to be naturally toned and there are also coins where the odds are 6 to 5 or even money.&nbsp; But just like in poker, every once in a while that 50 to 1 shot will show up and be your proverbial two outer.&nbsp; I don&#039;t want people reading this to think that 1 of every 50 coins that are considered NT are actually the product of a coin doctor.&nbsp; The odds used here are poker odds along with the analogy to prove a point.&nbsp; The point is that the odds of finding an NT (on the scale) coin from a coin doctor or improper storage are far less than finding one in the Borderline QT/MA category where it really is a 50/50 guess about the originality of the toning.&nbsp; So maybe you are uncomfortable making an educated guess.&nbsp; You think that if you can&#039;t say definitevely 100% that the coin is AT or NT, then there is no reason to even try.&nbsp; And while you have your right to that opinion, all it really does is place you outside what is accepted by the numismatic community.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>They can&#039;t produce a written standard because they know that it is a moving target.&nbsp; The game of incomplete information will always change once new information is introduced.&nbsp; Everyone is entitled to their own standard, and personally, I think that is the standard that is really important.&nbsp; If I am uncomfortable with the originality of the toning on a coin, I will not buy it regardless if it resides in a TPG slab.&nbsp; Having said that, it is the TPG standard that affects the prices of these coins and an understanding of their criteria is essential with regards to financial prudence.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>You mean like when any given coin is examined by a group of people, including the graders, you get varying opinions of if the coin is MS64 or MS65.&nbsp; And that is also why the very same coin is MS64 on time and MS65 the next time.</p><p><br /></p><p>I finally figured you out Doug.&nbsp; It is not the TPG&#039;s and their practices that you hate, it is subjectivity.&nbsp; You live in a world where everything is black &amp; white, right or wrong, good or bad.&nbsp; It explains why we disagree about almost every topic that includes a TPG opinion which will always be inherently subjective.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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