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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1090113, member: 112"]Well, that depends. First of all on the person doing the buying and what is important to that person. If we're talking about somebody like Lehigh the toning is everything to him. The condition of the coin plays a smaller, but yet still important, part to him. So somebody like him is going to pay more for atractively toned coins. I think we can all agree on that, even Lehigh.</p><p><br /></p><p>Then comes the question of AT vs NT. But can you tell the difference ? That's really the question isn't it ? With some coins sure, almost anybody can tell the difference, depending of course on the method used. But these coins aren't really involved are they ? Toned coin collectors can spot the heat jobs, potato jobs, liquid chemical jobs - almost with their eyes closed. So we really have to leave those amateur AT jobs out of it.</p><p><br /></p><p>The ones you have to worry about, the ones that should be discussed, are the ones the real coin doctors produce. Now there's several different kinds of those. There are the ones where the doctor uses old albums or cardboard tab holders, or old paper rolls. He manages the temperature and humidity and speeds a process that used to take years or decades into one that takes a few weeks. Then there's the doctor that uses gas, this process might only take hours or days. But the end result is 100% indistinguishable from the one that took decades.</p><p><br /></p><p>That said, if you can't tell the difference - then does it matter ?</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, give those toned coin collectors a choice. Offer them two coins identical in grade, eye appeal and color. Tell them flat out - this one came from an old collection stored in an album for 30 years, or from an old paper roll, or from a mint bag; and this one came from a coin doctor. And you know what they're gonna say ? They're gonna say gimme the one from the old collection and I'll pay extra ! And you can keep the other one.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now why is that ? Nobody, not the collector doing the buying, not the pros at the TPGs, not the most expert chemist in the world, can tell one coin from the other. And neither can any machine invented by man. </p><p><br /></p><p>But ya know what, switch those coins around and tell them that the coin doctor coin came from an old collection and they'll buy it in fast second !</p><p><br /></p><p>The point is, it's all psychological. It's a mind game. For if the collector believes that the coin is original, and he has no choice but to believe it is original because he cannot tell one from the other - then both coins are of equal value. </p><p><br /></p><p>And you see, to them that's the scary part. They don't want to think that they have even 1 coin in their collection that came from a coin doctor. They want to believe that all of their coins are original. But you can bet dollars to donuts that each and every one of them owns coins that came from a coin doctor. They just don't know it.</p><p><br /></p><p>So again, if you can't tell - does it matter ?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Neither one of course.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1090113, member: 112"]Well, that depends. First of all on the person doing the buying and what is important to that person. If we're talking about somebody like Lehigh the toning is everything to him. The condition of the coin plays a smaller, but yet still important, part to him. So somebody like him is going to pay more for atractively toned coins. I think we can all agree on that, even Lehigh. Then comes the question of AT vs NT. But can you tell the difference ? That's really the question isn't it ? With some coins sure, almost anybody can tell the difference, depending of course on the method used. But these coins aren't really involved are they ? Toned coin collectors can spot the heat jobs, potato jobs, liquid chemical jobs - almost with their eyes closed. So we really have to leave those amateur AT jobs out of it. The ones you have to worry about, the ones that should be discussed, are the ones the real coin doctors produce. Now there's several different kinds of those. There are the ones where the doctor uses old albums or cardboard tab holders, or old paper rolls. He manages the temperature and humidity and speeds a process that used to take years or decades into one that takes a few weeks. Then there's the doctor that uses gas, this process might only take hours or days. But the end result is 100% indistinguishable from the one that took decades. That said, if you can't tell the difference - then does it matter ? Now, give those toned coin collectors a choice. Offer them two coins identical in grade, eye appeal and color. Tell them flat out - this one came from an old collection stored in an album for 30 years, or from an old paper roll, or from a mint bag; and this one came from a coin doctor. And you know what they're gonna say ? They're gonna say gimme the one from the old collection and I'll pay extra ! And you can keep the other one. Now why is that ? Nobody, not the collector doing the buying, not the pros at the TPGs, not the most expert chemist in the world, can tell one coin from the other. And neither can any machine invented by man. But ya know what, switch those coins around and tell them that the coin doctor coin came from an old collection and they'll buy it in fast second ! The point is, it's all psychological. It's a mind game. For if the collector believes that the coin is original, and he has no choice but to believe it is original because he cannot tell one from the other - then both coins are of equal value. And you see, to them that's the scary part. They don't want to think that they have even 1 coin in their collection that came from a coin doctor. They want to believe that all of their coins are original. But you can bet dollars to donuts that each and every one of them owns coins that came from a coin doctor. They just don't know it. So again, if you can't tell - does it matter ? Neither one of course.[/QUOTE]
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