Why aren't there more minority collectors and dealers?

One thing I can say is that I know a great many collectors from China/India/Malaya etc but they for the most part dont collect coins or notes (With exceptions) but do collect stamps
just thinking on it I know more stamp collectors overseas than I do in the UK LOL

 

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You cant eliminate all racial designations just like you cant eliminate people being called tall/short or blonde haired/red heads.
Too many of us look for reasons to be different, especially the youth. Look at all the tattoo's and piercing's that people get. Just because we are different doesn't have to mean that's bad.
It's like the Oriental comment. What's wrong with that. Really...is a white person offended that they are called European? Or a Black person that they are called African?
What we really need to do is forget all this P/C stuff, and all be proud of where we came.

As for the OP's question I'd guess it is about history with most. From the black people's homes I have been in they have lots of African stuff all around and not coins. Makes sense to me.

 

I see nothing wrong with acknowledging differences, that's what makes humans interesting. To ignore them would simply be dishonest and silly. A dog is different than a cat, a German Sheppard is different than a Chihuahua...why deny and ignore the difference. Black people, white people, asians, latino...they have different ways of doing some things, it is not wrong to recognize this IMO. It is only when difference become a reason to deny them rights or is a reason to hate that it becomes wrong. I have never understood it when someone talks about 'white pride' or 'white power' or 'black power' or talks about taking pride in ones race. What the heck did THEY have to do with what skin colour they happen to have? Is being a white or black some kind of accomplishment? If you are PROUD of your color or race...then you must have little else to be proud of.

I saw a racist talking about 'White pride' and naming off all that white people have accomplished through the years and I had to wonder...because he happened to be of the same race as the people who did all these things, does that give HIM any reason to be proud? What did HE accomplish?

 

This is an interesting question. At the coin shows I've worked, I've noticed that people tend to be interesting in areas that are culturally connected to their ancestry. Chinese collectors look for Chinese coins, Indian collectors Indian. I've sold (or at least gave advice to) a black family interested in Axumite coinage. Think about it - most of the Americans on this forum collect American coins. As we get more advanced, we usually branch out. (Or get bored and quit collecting)

 

No they can't and shouldn't be eliminated, but the only time they need to be mentioned is when they are needed to clearly identify a specific person. If the designation isn't needed it should not be used. If I have two people competing for a position and one is black and one is white identifying them by their race is acceptable. If there is only one candidate there is no need to mention his race. If both are the same race then again there is no need to mention race and other descriptive terms should be used. The tall one, the shorter one etc. No reason to say the tall black one if both are black. There is too much use of unneeded race descriptions. I see it a lot in sports "He is an exceptional black athlete" Does the fact he's black make a difference? Isn't he just an exceptional athlete? And we do it too. At the end of this month the Goldbergs are going to be selling Phyllis Thompson's variety set of Late date large cents. It is described as the finest set ever assembled by a woman. It is an exceptional collection that anyone would be proud to have, but when they sold the Naftzger late dates they didn't call it the finest set ever assembled by a man. The fact that Phyllis is a woman didn't matter in building the set. (Don't think I am selling Phyllis short, I've known her for years.) It is exceptional due to the dedication of the collection and the attention to detail.

 

I this it IS exceptional and worth mentioning she is a woman as they are rather rare in this hobby.

 

Been reading some Kevin Anderson?
Sorry, had to ask
Guy~

 

This is a great post! Things I had never considered.

This is a great post! Things I had never considered.

 

Loved your answer. Couldn't agree with it more.

 

Both incorrect.
Mongoloid Subspecies
A. Northeast Asian race (various subraces in China, Manchuria, Korea and Japan)
B. Southeast Asian race (various subraces in Indochina, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines, some partly hybridized with Australoids)
C. Micronesian-Polynesian race (hybridized with Australoids)
D. Ainuid race (remnants of aboriginal population in northern Japan)
E. Tungid race (Mongolia and Siberia, Eskimos)
F. Amerindian race (American Indians; various subraces)

 

Minority of What?

My wife has nomadic genes.

I have stashing genes, and she is always chiding me for holding onto things she can't use.

When it comes to some stuff, I try to win.
When it comes to what she tosses out, so far I has not been able to convince her, against her nature, that some "stuff" is better than others.

But, so far she has yet attempted to toss out raw mintage "stuff".

Other than that~IT HAS TO GO!:loud:
Therein lies the difference, gene~wise.

'Course, now that she has matured and been taking to wearing my bluejeans we have something else to resolve.

So~we are ALL ethnic minorities, just on different topics.....IMHO.

 

You'ld be a riot in my family. Sister is jew, Mother is Catholic, Father is Luthen, I'm Prespiterian, Neighbor's Muslum and one Budist. So far no Atheist. We need you.
One thing in this topic I've noticed is although at coin shows and coin stores most are white, elderlly, it's really different at a flea market. And too coin dealers at flea markets have a fantastic amount of minorities for customers and of all ages. Also, coin dealers at flea markets are of a wider variety of ethnic groups. At one flea market there is this one dealer that if I don't get there fast enough, an elderlly Mexican guy almost buys him out of all Silver Coinage. Usually in the hundreds of dollars worth. Smiles at me and says, to late. Right after he leaves a guy I've gotten to know from China also digs in to those coins. I know this dealer well since I've purchased from him for many years and he tells me his greatest customers are some forms of Hispanics. That first one usually takes all those coins to another type of flea market and resells for almost double. I've noticed this at other flea markets too where many other ethnic groups purchase coins. To me this would indicate that they feel more comfortable purchasing coins in areas where there are already many varieties of types of peoples. If your at a typical flea market, rather ragity looking and purchase several hundred dollars worth of coins, not much noticed by others since almost everyone looks the same.

 

I don't know what your source is, but that is incorrect as well, at least in its terminology. There is no such thing as human subspecies, only human races.

Another thing you ought to be aware of is that "mongoloid" is the WORST possible designation for the asian race (generally speaking, since as you said the race spreads to Australia and America as well). This designation is the unfortunate historical remnant of the writings of an American sociologist (I can check this later for accuracy) of late 19th, early 20th century. Such writings are extremely racist today (although were considered normal at the time), and equates the asian facial features with those of individuals with true mongolism. This provided (in his opinion) justification for the similarity between their cognitive abilities as well.

 

I was taught the '5 races' and they broke it down as:

Caucazoid (white)
Negroid (black)
Mongoloid (asiatic)
Australoid (indian/native)

Then what they termed modifications (subcategories) branching from these main categories.

These days just saying there are different races gets people upset...I saw a thread where someone asked how many races there were and people came in saying 'one'...human race...and preached about how we have to stop trying to categorize races as it is wrong.This is simply denial. But they certainly will give a different name to every different type of dog, cat, rat, fish, any animal on earth...just dont do it to humans!! We are animals, as such there are different types of us and these different type exhibit different characteristics. There is nothing at all wrong with trying to categorize them. Thats what humans do...we observe, label and categorize...its our forte!! One must put aside emotional things and know its just a matter of biology.

Oh, BTW, My wife is from Pakistan and for certain reasons she doesn't like to be called 'middle eastern' so she refers to herself when she must as 'asian'.

 

You bundled Australoid and native american in the same category. This is a viable alternative to the three race model as well (in which australoid and native american are included in the asiatic group).

 

This is an interesting topic, one that I've never gave much thought. But it would be interesting to conduct a survey to see the diversity of the CoinTalk member base.

Perhaps, minorities simply don't attend coin shows, but are active coin collectors. Just as my observation has been that most attendees at the coin shows that I attend are 50+ year-old white males. But a recent CoinTalk survey shows that most of it's members are younger in their twenties.

-LTB

 

How large is your collection? I may be available.

 

I stand corrected. My ignorance comes from the fact that I don't have a lot of Mongoloid students. (Did I say it right? I wouldn't want to offend them!)