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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;HawkeEye, post: 2722112, member: 86305&quot;]You make some good points, but I still think our hobby now competes with the electronic world for a share of mind with the younger set.&nbsp; We have always competed with other activities but for some reason this feels different to me and I work on our grandchildren to try and teach history through coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for VAMs you also make a good point with known VAMs, but a great deal of that world for me is that the number of discoveries keeps the hobby fresh and the number of potential discoveries is almost limitless.&nbsp; So for even a novice VAMmer the possibility of recognition for new variety is only a coin away.&nbsp; But all prices must be a function of supply and demand and I have made the same argument with VAMmers and that hobby for sure needs more participants.</p><p><br /></p><p>The TPG pricing is always a source of criticism and I believe that to be a function of variations within grade (eye appeal etc.), the lack of automation of the grading process, and bias among themselves.&nbsp; One thing we talk about on VAMworld and is probably relevant here is the process of collecting, which has a bit of OCD mixed in.&nbsp; If I need an 1881-O PR01 to fill a grading set and there are only 4, then the posted prices are interesting but irrelevant.&nbsp; I will pay up for that coin because of rarity which I know PCGS hates to admit.&nbsp; For every series and every denomination there is always a lone wolf willing or unwilling to pay stated values for collecting reasons.&nbsp; The same is true on the selling side of the transaction.</p><p><br /></p><p>I found a group trying to track auctions more frequently and they even track VAM sales.&nbsp; Their work is far from perfect but at least they are trying.&nbsp; <a href="http://www.coinsociety.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinsociety.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.coinsociety.com/</a>&nbsp; In time they may make a real contribution.</p><p><br /></p><p>Good discussion topic and I would be interested in the opinions of a lot of other people.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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