Who's that girl...?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Ryro, Jul 13, 2018.

  1. Ryro

    Ryro Life is like a box of ancient coins. Supporter

    Who is that coin that you've been dreaming about? For days, for months or years?? What's that coin on the side, the one that you've been on the prowl for as you go about your regularly scheduled perusing of ancients???
    For me it's a Julius Caesar portrait. Yes. It is to finish out my "12 Caesars" that the national enquirier of his day, Suetonius, made a sensation amongst nobility to run out to begin collecting!
    Do some pride themselves on it being a lifetime issue? Sure. But this ain't like ATG3 (Alexander The Great) where there are a ton more coins created after his death. Nor is it easy being on a po boy budget. It is something incredible to say you own not 1 but 2 ancients bearing the busts of both JC1 and Augustus Caesar. Plus, I got a crazy countermark! Check em out...
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    Augustuswith Divus
    Julius Caesar
    (27 BC-14 AD) MACEDON.
    Thessalonica. Obv: ΘEOΣ.
    Wreathed head of Julius
    Caesar right; uncertain c/m
    on neck.
    Rev: ΘEΣΣAΛONIKEΩN.
    Bare head of Augustus right;
    Δ below. RPC I 1554.
    Fine. 12.3 g.21 mm.
    Former: Numismatik Naumann
    The D has been interpreted as either a denomination
    mark (four assaria) or, more likely, a date - year four
    of the Actian era (28/7 BC). The ligate NK monogram
    has been generally accepted as a reference to Nero
    (Nerwn Kaisar). This is problematic considering that
    Thessalonica had abundant coinages issued under
    Claudius and Nero, such that countermarking these
    quite older coins would be unlikely. Touratsoglou (p.
    105) follows Kraay's suggestion that the NK is an
    abbreviation for Nike (NiKh), and was applied to the
    coins during celebrations of the city's 50th
    anniversary of its grant of liberty by the Romans.
    Allbuttwoofthe knownspecimensofthis
    countermarkoccuronthe coinsofthisfirst
    issue ofThessalonica, and the
    wear on thecountermarks is
    nearly identical tothat of the
    coins, suggesting that the
    countermarks could not
    have been applied very long
    after the coins entered
    circulation.
    DivusAugustus
    275637.jpg

    Augustus with Divus
    Julius Caesar
    (27 BC-14 AD). MACEDON.
    Thessalonica.Obv: ΘEOC.
    Bare head of Julius Caesar
    right.
    Rev: ΘECCAΛONIKEΩN.
    Bare head of Augustus right.
    RPC I 1555.
    Condition: Near very fine.
    Weight: 8.0 g.
    Diameter: 19 mm. Former:
    Numismatik Naumann

    Post all those dream coins. JC1 coins. ATG3 coins. Anything you deem relevant coins...
     
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  3. Ryro

    Ryro Life is like a box of ancient coins. Supporter

  4. Roman Collector

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    Ajax Supporter! Supporter

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  6. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Sweet
     
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  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    Excellent coins! Congrats on the score, and thanks for the information on the interesting countermark. Not that I think there's anything wrong with the concept of the more being the merrier, but I'm curious why you decided you wanted two Augustus/JC bronzes of Thessalonica?

    My dream coin is the proverbial one that got away. I have a specific coin in mind, but I'm going to spare myself the pain of posting it. Instead, here's one I won a few months ago, a type that was always somewhere between my want list and my dream list.

    Lokris Opuntii Stater.jpg LOKRIS, Opuntii
    AR Stater. 12.09g, 24.9mm. LOKRIS, Opous, circa 350-340 BC. BCD Lokris-Phokis 60; McClean 5433; HGC 4, 992 var (control). O: Head of Demeter left, wreathed with grain. R: OΠONTIΩN, Ajax advancing right, brandishing sword and holding shield decorated with griffin and palmette; spear on ground behind, Λ between legs.
    Ex CNG 63 (21 May 2003), lot 313

    I'd love to have a JC bronze someday, but for now all I have is silver. And, here it is for the umpteenth time :shame:.

    Julius Caesar - New 2017.jpg JULIUS CAESAR
    AR Denarius. 3.77g, 19mm. Rome mint, struck by L. Aemilius Buca, February - March 44 BC. Crawford 480/8; Sydenham 1061; RCV 1411. O: CAESAR DICT PERPETVO , wreathed head of Caesar facing right. R: L BVCA , Venus standing left, holding Victory and a sceptre.
    Ex David Sellwood Collection; Ex Seaby Coin & Medal Bulletin (1 Oct 1977) Lot 793
     
  8. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

    My dream coin would probably be a Parthian tetradrachm of Phraataces with Queen Musa, like this one (photo borrowed from CNG):
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    These seldom come up for auction, and the final price is several thousand dollars... but maybe someday...
     
  9. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Supporter! Supporter

    Congratulations two great and popular coins, both with good JC portraits. Well done. My dream is owning a Titus Colosseum coin, so looks like I will be dreaming forever.:bigtears:
     
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  10. Topcat7

    Topcat7 Still Learning

    @Ryro My JC / Augustus (Octavian) same as your first coin, complete with the same 'countermark.

    JULIUS CAESAR countermarked - Augustus Thessalonica Macedonia 28BC RPC 1555 Dupondius-Sestertius.jpg
     
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  11. Ancient Aussie

    Ancient Aussie Supporter! Supporter

    I got one as well, not well centred and tight flan, with no c/m. unnamed.png
     
  12. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..i pulled up Madonna's version....^^
     
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  13. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Biblical Kingdoms Supporter

    Congratulations on your dream acquisition, @Ryro ! In all truthfulness I'm going to have to say that I've acquired my dream coins many times over. Many of the coins in my Judaean collection were elusive but I was finally able to find them. When I started collecting Judaean coins, I had no intention of taking the collection as far as it has gone. I don't think that I'll be making any more additions to it. I'm planning to turn my attention to other ancient kingdoms now. I'll likely continue adding to my Roman denarii collection.

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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    AWESOME @Ryro ! Great coins! And super-congrats capturing some DREAMS! That is ALWAYS big fun!

    Everyone's posted coins are incredible! And, yeah, @ominus1 had the same version of Who's That Girl (cripes, soooo 80's):


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    Roman Imperatorial
    Julius Caesar Lifetime
    P Sepullius Macer
    AR Den 4.03g
    Minted 1st 2 weeks ofMar 44 BCE
    Obv: CAESAR – DICT PERPETVO Veiled (symbolic of his office - Pontifex Maximus)-
    Rev: Venus Victory sceptre star
    Syd 1074a Sear Imperators 107e Cr 480-14
    Rare

    I agree with @Deacon Ray : I, too, have captured many of my Dream Coins many times over...

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    Etruria Populonia AR 5 Asses 3rd C BCE 2.0g Young Hd L V behind HN 173 Vecchi Rasna III 52 ex NAC 29 No 9 RARE

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    Carthage Zeugitana 310-270 BCE EL Dekadrachm-Stater 18.5mm 7.27g Tanit Horse 3 pellets in ex MAA 12 SNG COP 136

    Makedon Philip II Tet Pella LIFETIME 353-349 Zeus Horse star spearhd Le Rider 102.JPG
    Makedon Philip II Tet Pella LIFETIME 353-349 Zeus Horse star spearhd Le Rider 102

    And I can continue to post each and every one of my collection as my Dream Coins...

    I will also say, there are SOoo many coins posted by folks here that are or would be a Dream Coin for me also.
     
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  15. Ryro

    Ryro Life is like a box of ancient coins. Supporter

    Thanks for all the kind comments all!@zumbly Your recently acquired masterpiece is simply beautiful! (Great! Now I've got another dream coin for the ol bucket list).
    Reason for the deuce is 2 fold funny enough.
    1: I am a sucker for countermarks. And this one has some pretty interesting hypothesis around it.
    And B: JC wearing the wreath is iconic. So much so that it's kinda fun to see him without it.
    All that said, I'm actually doing the whole Christmas in July thing and feeling very much in the spirit of giving. I'll trade you straight up either one of my bronzes for your silver:rolleyes:
    @Parthicus I can see why this is your dream. Between her beautiful portrait (look at that hair! More like queen mesa!) and his countenance (is that an earring?) it's certainly hypnotic. Plus, there's nothing like holding so some big ol tets:D
    Awesome to see more out there @Topcat7 and @Ancient Aussie ! Interesting that the countermarks are on the neck. Were the descendents of Brutus in charge of CM placement?
     
  16. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter in hoc signo vinces

    I most want an EID MAR Brutus denarius. Very historical but a pretty good investment if you can find one for a reasonable cost. I haven't seen any for less than about $5,000.
     
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  17. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    Wow, Ryro, that's too kind of y.... wait a second... I'm pretty sure giving ≠ trading o_O... :D
     
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  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    No prob! Here is mine:

    Rimp AR Denarius AR Brutus EID MAR COPY by Slavei duplicate ex FSR 103.jpg
    Roman Imperiatorial AR Denarius AR Brutus EID MAR by Slavei ex FSR 103
     
  19. philologus_1

    philologus_1 Well-Known Member

  20. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..and you're saying Eurythmics ain't?~!?...but i love those tunes and those days... not to mention the coins from even earlier! :)
     
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  21. Beginner345

    Beginner345 Active Member

    That brutus coin looks very fake.
     
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