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<p>[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 8141897, member: 105571"]This is a very generalized explanation and there may be some rare or unusual exceptions but I think it's a pretty universal explanation for how things work most often. Consult your tax advisor!</p><p><br /></p><p>For the purposes of calculating the capital gain and the subsequent capital gains tax owed, it doesn't matter what the coins are or when they were purchased. This also covers PMs but note that with PMs there are some exceptions and special rules that don't exist with collectables. Here's what matters:</p><p><br /></p><p>Original purchase price of coin, also called the "Basis Cost".</p><p>The sale price of the coin, also called "Realised Price".</p><p><br /></p><p>Subtract the "Basis Cost" from the "Realized Price" and the difference is the Capital Gain. If the Capital Gain is a positive number, multiply the Capital Gain by 0.28 (28%) and that is the Capital Gains Tax owed.</p><p><br /></p><p>If the Capital Gain is a negative number or zero, then there is no Capital Gain and the Capital Gains Tax owed is zero.</p><p><br /></p><p>Note that this is a calculation performed for each individual coin, not for the collection <i>in toto</i>.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, if you have dated receipts for the original purchase, then those are pretty much irrefutable evidence to support your claim for the validity of the "Basis Cost". If you don't have the original receipts but have a record-keeping log of the purchase (who, when and how much), that is better than nothing but clearly not as credible as original receipts. If you don't have receipts or a log, then you are pretty much at the mercy of the IRS in the sense of how willing they are to accept general market evidence of the coin's value from the time when it was purchased. IRS would also have to accept your word of the date of purchase which is another hurdle. In the worst case from the taxpayer's standpoint is when the IRS says your basis cost is the coin's value when you sold it. In that worst-case scenario, your calculated Capital Gains would 100% of your sales price.</p><p><br /></p><p>The above only describes the case where the coin's original purchaser (or the purchaser's joint property partner) is selling the coins. If the coins are inherited, then they should be placed into the probated estate and an estimate of their value provided by a recognized authority. This new value then becomes the new "Basis", replacing the original purchase price. This is particularly desirable when there are no original purchase price receipts. If you don't probate them and establish this new "Basis", you open yourself up to potential problems. </p><p><br /></p><p>I don't know how it is in other states, but in Florida you will pay 3% of the probated property value in fees to the probate attorney. That is a cost of doing business but folks that think they are pulling a fast one without knowing what they are doing can sometimes get a nasty surprise down the line.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Publius2, post: 8141897, member: 105571"]This is a very generalized explanation and there may be some rare or unusual exceptions but I think it's a pretty universal explanation for how things work most often. Consult your tax advisor! For the purposes of calculating the capital gain and the subsequent capital gains tax owed, it doesn't matter what the coins are or when they were purchased. This also covers PMs but note that with PMs there are some exceptions and special rules that don't exist with collectables. Here's what matters: Original purchase price of coin, also called the "Basis Cost". The sale price of the coin, also called "Realised Price". Subtract the "Basis Cost" from the "Realized Price" and the difference is the Capital Gain. If the Capital Gain is a positive number, multiply the Capital Gain by 0.28 (28%) and that is the Capital Gains Tax owed. If the Capital Gain is a negative number or zero, then there is no Capital Gain and the Capital Gains Tax owed is zero. Note that this is a calculation performed for each individual coin, not for the collection [I]in toto[/I]. Now, if you have dated receipts for the original purchase, then those are pretty much irrefutable evidence to support your claim for the validity of the "Basis Cost". If you don't have the original receipts but have a record-keeping log of the purchase (who, when and how much), that is better than nothing but clearly not as credible as original receipts. If you don't have receipts or a log, then you are pretty much at the mercy of the IRS in the sense of how willing they are to accept general market evidence of the coin's value from the time when it was purchased. IRS would also have to accept your word of the date of purchase which is another hurdle. In the worst case from the taxpayer's standpoint is when the IRS says your basis cost is the coin's value when you sold it. In that worst-case scenario, your calculated Capital Gains would 100% of your sales price. The above only describes the case where the coin's original purchaser (or the purchaser's joint property partner) is selling the coins. If the coins are inherited, then they should be placed into the probated estate and an estimate of their value provided by a recognized authority. This new value then becomes the new "Basis", replacing the original purchase price. This is particularly desirable when there are no original purchase price receipts. If you don't probate them and establish this new "Basis", you open yourself up to potential problems. I don't know how it is in other states, but in Florida you will pay 3% of the probated property value in fees to the probate attorney. That is a cost of doing business but folks that think they are pulling a fast one without knowing what they are doing can sometimes get a nasty surprise down the line.[/QUOTE]
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