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<p>[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 12292, member: 57463"]The relationships between "pennies" and "nails" is itself interesting -- and the subject of a different post down the road.</p><p><br /></p><p>A "penny" was 1/240 of a pound: 20 shillings to the pound; 12 pence to the shilling. This was based on an accounting system from Italian bankers of the late middle ages and it meant 1 Pound of Silver with the shilling being an Ounce and the Penny being the last shadow of the old Roman denarius. (d is the symbol for penny: Lsd or L/d with the / being a quick, thin s and the curly L being "libra" or weight.) These were all silver coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>In the early Federal period, when the US had a large copper Cent (called ONE CENT right on the coin), the old Large Cent (1793-1857) were more or less the same size as the British (copper) Penny from about 1820 forward. (Britain tried huge "Cartwheel" coppers to replace silver, but went to a reduced and more convenient coin.) So, the US Cent was called a Penny by popular notion. Similarly, we call the Quarter "two bits" because of its near relationship the Spanish 2 Reales coins. (Spanish and Mexican coinage was the dominant currency in North America until after the American Civil War. Banknotes from Ohio and Tennessee and a dozen other places showed Spanish and Mexican coins on them. See Spanish Coins on American Notes at <a href="http://scoan.oldnote.org/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://scoan.oldnote.org/" rel="nofollow">http://scoan.oldnote.org/</a>)</p><p><br /></p><p>The "nickel" is our modern name for the 5-cent coin that is really 75% copper and 25% nickel. In 1858, the name "nickel" applied to the first of the small cents -- only 12% nickel, but it gave them a "white" color. The moden nickel says "Five Cents" on it.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, the Dime does say "Dime." And that is the cause of some humor among Europeans. What, after all, is a "dime"? The Canadian coins say "10 Cents" and "25 Cents" and "50 Cents." American coins say "half dollar" and "quarter dollar" (which at least says something about their value) and "dime" (which does not).</p><p><br /></p><p>If all of the above is not more an anyone wanted to know, please, ask me for more! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie7" alt=":p" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Michael[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 12292, member: 57463"]The relationships between "pennies" and "nails" is itself interesting -- and the subject of a different post down the road. A "penny" was 1/240 of a pound: 20 shillings to the pound; 12 pence to the shilling. This was based on an accounting system from Italian bankers of the late middle ages and it meant 1 Pound of Silver with the shilling being an Ounce and the Penny being the last shadow of the old Roman denarius. (d is the symbol for penny: Lsd or L/d with the / being a quick, thin s and the curly L being "libra" or weight.) These were all silver coins. In the early Federal period, when the US had a large copper Cent (called ONE CENT right on the coin), the old Large Cent (1793-1857) were more or less the same size as the British (copper) Penny from about 1820 forward. (Britain tried huge "Cartwheel" coppers to replace silver, but went to a reduced and more convenient coin.) So, the US Cent was called a Penny by popular notion. Similarly, we call the Quarter "two bits" because of its near relationship the Spanish 2 Reales coins. (Spanish and Mexican coinage was the dominant currency in North America until after the American Civil War. Banknotes from Ohio and Tennessee and a dozen other places showed Spanish and Mexican coins on them. See Spanish Coins on American Notes at [url]http://scoan.oldnote.org/[/url]) The "nickel" is our modern name for the 5-cent coin that is really 75% copper and 25% nickel. In 1858, the name "nickel" applied to the first of the small cents -- only 12% nickel, but it gave them a "white" color. The moden nickel says "Five Cents" on it. However, the Dime does say "Dime." And that is the cause of some humor among Europeans. What, after all, is a "dime"? The Canadian coins say "10 Cents" and "25 Cents" and "50 Cents." American coins say "half dollar" and "quarter dollar" (which at least says something about their value) and "dime" (which does not). If all of the above is not more an anyone wanted to know, please, ask me for more! :p Michael[/QUOTE]
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