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  1. Sulla80

    Sulla80 one coin at a time Supporter

    I only have a few Greek coins, and do not have much context for these coins beyond the names of the legendary kings they display. This coin of Philip II is a favorite for its hard to photograph, perfect, dark green patina, and sharp portrait and obverse. Philip II of Macedon reigned 359–336 BC.

    Philip II Macedon sm.jpg
    AE18
    Obv:
    Diademed head of Apollo right
    Rev: ΦIΛIΠΠOY, Youth on horseback right; thunderbolt before.
    Ref: SNG ANS 880
    Size: 17.5 mm (7.41 gm)

    A veteran of many battles, in 355-354 BC, while attacking the city of Methone, Phillip’s right eye was injured by an arrow and had to be removed using a Spoon of Diocles. This device was invented by Diocles, a Greek physician from Carystus a city on Euboea, and in the article below we can read: “Celsus says this instrument was developed to remove wide barbed missiles”. This survey of medical implements in ancient Rome – helps to illustrate the torment that medicine offered in Phillip’s time:
    https://www.ucl.ac.uk/~ucgajpd/medicina antiqua/sa_ArchaeologicalRemains.pdf

    This eye injury and other battle wounds of Philip II weighed for both sides in a 30-year debate about remains found in Tomb II unearthed in 1977 at Aegae or Aigai (near modern Vergina) and whether or not the occupant was Phillip II. There is a long (maybe appropriately, torturously long) article of the back and forth here: http://dx.doi.org/10.12681/tekmeria.216 and a 2015 writeup assessing the bones - here: https://doi.org/10.1002/oa.2459

    This last article mentioned, concludes from the remains from Tomb II: the evidence indicates that “the man in the chamber is Philip II of Macedon, the father of Alexander the Great, and the woman in the antechamber his seventh wife or concubine, the daughter of Scythian king Atheas”.

    Posting this in the hope that others on CT will share pictures and stories of Philip II and other Macedonian Kings and their coins.
     
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  3. Roman Collector

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    Philipp II PRINCIPI IVVENT sestertius.jpg

    Just kidding ... I'll post a few Philip II of Macedon coins. But before I do, enjoy the double dactyl by the mysterious and pseudonymous yet ubiquitous Senex Caecilius:

    Like Father, Like Son

    Higgledy-Piggledy
    Philip of Macedon
    Formed up the phalanx and
    Harried the Greeks;
    Murdered, he missed out on
    Mesopotamia,
    So, it's his son of whom
    All the world speaks.

    How about these?

    Philip II of Macedon.jpg
    Philip II of Macedon
    AE 6.30 gm; 18.6 mm
    Obv: Diademed head of Apollo, r.
    Rev: ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ, youth on horseback r.; thunderbolt below
    Refs: Bellinger 43; SNG ANS 880 ff.
    Philip II of Macedon or Alexander III.jpg
    Philip II of Macedon
    AE 5.66 gm; 17.3 mm
    Obv: Diademed head of Apollo, r.
    Rev: ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ, youth on horseback r.; Π below
    Refs: Bellinger 43.
     
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  4. TIF

    TIF Always learning. Supporter

    I've started reading the first article-- thanks for posting the link! It's very interesting.

    So... who is in the tomb-- Philip II,

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    KINGS OF MACEDON, Philip II. 356-336 BCE
    AR tetradrachm. 24mm, 14.20 gm, 12h
    Pella, 342-336 BCE
    Obv: Laureate head of Zeus right
    Rev: ΦIΛIΠ-ΠOY, youth, holding palm and reins, on horseback right, thunderbolt below, N in exergue
    Ref: Le Rider 222-306. SNG ANS 385-95
    ex Colosseo Collection

    Or his son Philip III Arrhidaios?

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    KINGS OF MACEDONIA, Philip III Arrhidaios
    AR drachm, Sardes; struck c. 322-319/8 BCE
    mounted in 14k pendant
    Obv: head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin headdress
    Rev: ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ; Zeus Aetophoros seated left; TI above bee
    Ref: Price P97
    Set in a 14k bezel (purchased that way-- I didn't do it although I happily and frequently wear the pendant)

    ... or someone else?
     
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  5. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

  6. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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  8. Ryro

    Ryro You'll never be lovelier than you are now... Supporter

    I'm pretty satisfied with the evidence and do believe it to be the tomb Philip ii... Now if we could only find the long lost one of that 2nd son of his.

    E039AEB3-8CFB-4BA7-AA21-E26DA42D128A.jpeg 8C06521D-703E-4062-A9B0-DB24D34FD2DB.jpeg

    Here's not Phillip's son...but his father!
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    Amyntas III,


    393-369 BC. Æ13 (3.01 gm). Head of Herakles in lion-skin headdress / Eagle devouring serpent. SNG.ANS.100. Lind.1265. aVF, black patina. Scarce
     
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  9. cmezner

    cmezner Well-Known Member

    Nice coins everyone! and TIF yours are simply awesome!! They take the breath away :)

    Mine is not as nice, but it is also a life-time issue.

    Le Rider has different numbers (222-306) for many of these tetradrachms, and it is hard to tell exactly which reference corresponds to this one. The most probable one for mine is Le Rider 254 and SNG ANS 389

    13.88 g, 25 mm; Pella ca. 342/1-ca. 337/6 BC.
    Obv.: Laureate head of heavy bearded Zeus right
    Rev.: ΦIΛIΠ-ΠOY (minted by) Philip; youth on horseback to right, crowning horse with palm; below horse's belly, horizontal thunderbolt
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    The reverse, a muscular horse ridden by a young, slim jockey shown running his victory lap and holding a palm branch, a symbol given to the victor is a reference to the victory at the Olympic Games of 356 BC of a horse of Philip II.

    And my one and only stater, posthumous, with a portrait of Apollo that looks like the first one posted by randygeki

    17 mm, 8.60 g
    Troas, Abydos, ca. 316 - 295 BC struck under Leonnatos, Philip III Arrhidaios, or Antigonos I Monophthalmos.
    Ref.: SNG ANS 295 (type); Le Rider pl. 90, 10 var.;
    Obv.: portrait of the god Apollo, wearing laurel wreath.
    Rev.: ΦIΛIΠΠOY ("Of Philip". Philip II in biga racing r., holding kentron and reins; ΔY and cornucopia to r. below horses

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  10. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ><..actually, i'm lQQking for just that kind o coin of Phil 2, Roman style..:)
     
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  11. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..i reckon @Alegandron hasn't seen this yet, cause Phillips his dude...here's a Celtic bronze tet of Phillip ll & i have 4 of OP's type meself..:) celtic phillip ll 002.JPG celtic phillip ll 003.JPG phillip ll  domitian ass. denarius 002.JPG phillip ll  domitian ass. denarius 003.JPG
     
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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    LOL, Now DON'T get me started! I am gonna have to open up a can of WHOOP-ASS-PHILIP-II !!! He's my man.

    Yup, I overlooked this thread, subliminally thinking it was of the wimp Phil II from the Roman Empire... after 200CE, I drift off... (sorry, gang... ) :) :) :)

    Makedon Philip II Tet Pella LIFETIME 353-349 Zeus Horse star spearhd Le Rider 102.JPG
    Makedon Philip II Tet Pella LIFETIME 353-349 Zeus Horse star spearhd Le Rider 102


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    Makedon Philip II AE 18 Apollo - Youth Horseback spear hd below 359-356 BCE 18mm 6.2g SNG ANS 850-1


    MAKEDON Philip II 1-5th Stater Apollo head r - Horseman r trident below as S6691.JPG
    MAKEDON Philip II 1/5th Stater Apollo head r - Horseman r trident below as S6691


    Makedon Philip II 359-336 BC AE 17 Horse Rider  LEFT-LEFT facing RARE.jpg
    Makedon Philip II 359-336 BC AE 17 Horse Rider LEFT-LEFT facing RARE


    Makedon Philip II 359-336 BC AE 19 Horse Hound.jpg
    Makedon Philip II 359-336 BC AE 19 Horse Hound


    Makedon Philip II 359-336 BC AE 17 Apollo - Horse Rider RIGHT-LEFT facing.jpg
    Makedon Philip II 359-336 BC AE 17 Apollo - Horse Rider RIGHT-LEFT facing


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    Celt Imit Philip II 2nd C BCE AR Drachm Zeus Horse pellet-in-annulet above Kugelwangel type- Danube Valley - Kostial 508 OTA 204


    Celtic Imitation Philip II 2nd C BCE AR Drachm Kugelwangel type- Danube Valley - pecunum auction.JPG
    Celtic Imitation Philip II 2nd C BCE AR Drachm Kugelwangel type- Danube Valley - pecunum auction

    Regurgitated from one of my prior posts: I have always enjoyed the History of Philip II of Makedon. Brilliant man for his era, and perhaps one of the more brilliant minds in Ancient History.

    Wonderful book clearly puts Philip II in perspective: without the rebuilding of Makedon into a nation, without him making revolutionary reforms creating the Makedonwn Phalanx, without him developing the Makedonwn Wedge Cavalry, without him capturing and developing the Silver mines to finance, without him to develop an excellent Military Command Staff, Alexander III (the Great) may had never happened. Alexander's brilliance was to EXECUTE his Father's plans to conquer Persia.

    I really enjoyed "Philip II of Macedonia - Greater than Alexander" by Richard A. Gabriel. C 2010
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  13. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    How about a few Kings of Makedon BEFORE Philip II action?
    (Yeah, everyone seems to have Alex III...) But, these are some of the MAKEDONWN Kings that lead up to the Brilliance of Philip II

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    Makedon Alexander I 498-454 BCE AR Obol 10mm 0.75g Horse - Quadripartite incuse sq SNG ANS 32 Rare


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    Makedon Perdikkos II 454-413 BC AR heavy tetrobol 2-4g 15mm 12h Makedon mint 437-431 BC horseman holding two spears prancing Raymond 184ff SNG ANS 47ff


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    Makedon Amyntas II 395-393 BCE Æ12 2.0g Aigai or Pella mint Hd Pan - Forepart wolf chewing bone SNG Alpha Bank 179-80 Very Rare
     
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  14. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    hehe..yup i figured ya did :p
     
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  15. arizonarobin

    arizonarobin Well-Known Member Supporter

    Nice write up and thank you for the links, the medical instrument paper was very interesting! :yuck:
    I only have one of Philip II-

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    Phillip II, Double unit
    Macedon, uncertain mint
    AE21, Double Unit; 8.98g; 20mm
    359-336 BC
    Young male head, hair bound with taenia, facing right
    ΦΙΛΙΠΠΟΥ, Naked youthful horseman advancing right; right hand raised; fulmen below; E control mark to right of horse
     
  16. kaparthy

    kaparthy Supporter! Supporter

    The facing head on the right comes from the royal tombs at Vergina. The coin at the left is a standard Macedonian issue with Zeus obverse and a rider crowning a horse on the reverse. Iconographers call this Zeus because any well-groomed mature male with no other attributes is Zeus by default. If his beard were not so nice and if he were in a lion’s skin, this would be called Herakles. If the name of the town this coin was found in had been Poseidonia, then this would be Poseidon. In fact, this is Philip. You can call it Zeus. Philip would not have minded. And it is not accidental that Zeus was the father of Herakles just as Philip was the father of Alexander.
    Philip Rider Obverse 1.jpg Philip Vergina 1.jpg
    (From "Alexander as Herakles" paper delivered at "Coinage and Identity in the Ancient World," Nickle Arts Museum, University of Calgary, November 3-5, 2004.)
     
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  17. Sulla80

    Sulla80 one coin at a time Supporter

    @Alegandron, if I could stop laughing I might try to talk you into some late Rome Antoniniani :) that's an awesome range of Philip II-related coins, and the book recommendation is much appreciated.

    A great collection of Philips posted by all above, including a few that leave me at a loss for words...especially the Philip II tets and stater :wideyed:.

    @Roman Collector, I can't resist piling on an Alexander in response to your "double dactyl"...
    Alexander III of Macedon, "The Great", 336-323 BC Kingdom of Macedon AR Tetradrachm
    Alexander Tetradrachm.jpg
    Early posthumous issue of Babylon, struck under Perdikkas ca. 323-320 BC.
    Obv: Head of Heracles right, wearing lion-skin headdress
    Rev: BAΣIΛEΩΣ AΛEΞANΔPOY Zeus seated left, holding eagle and scepter; M in left field, ΛY below throne.
    Size: 24.3mm, 16.67g
    Ref: Price 3692
     
  18. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    :D If we cannot truly enjoy our hobby, especially with some fun humor, why have the hobby? It is fun to toss out a few jibes, just to get some of the ultra-serious to move on their roosts. :)

    Joking aside, yeah, I admit my sins... I DO have around 145+ of the Roman Rulers. It is not a focus for me, and many taint too purdy... but I have the placemarkers.

    Kenneth Harl's Coinage in the Roman Economy kinda points out how the Empire decline is reflected in the devaluations of coinage... The Denarius was a monetary stronghold from approx 300 BCE (don't forget the Heavy Denarius - tariffed at 10 Asses - from 310 BCE to 211 BCE) to approx 200 CE - FIVE HUNDRED years... purdy cool track record! Then, crap hit the fan, coinage really devaluated, double Denarii or 'Antoniniani' were created, etc. etc. Finally fizzing-out to gawd-awful 10mm rabbit pellets with cartoons on them. :) - AND, they had to sell them as hundreds-in-a-bag - hence, Folles... Reminds me of Ziegfield's Follies. :)

    RI Leo I 457-474 CE AE 4 10mm Salus Emp stdg hldg Globe and Standard.jpg
    RI Leo I 457-474 CE AE 4 10mm Salus Emp stdg hldg Globe and Standard

    Compared to:

    RR Anon AR Heavy Denarius -  Didrachm 310-300 BCE Mars-Horse FIRST.JPG
    RR Anon AR Heavy Denarius - Didrachm 310-300 BCE Mars-Horse, FIRST AR coin of Rome...
     
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  19. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Hoping to figure this out eventually....

    That is an incredible Philip II TIF.. I won't put a propeller hat on it.. please add a reefer as he looks like a super cool, relaxed dude!
     
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  20. TIF

    TIF Always learning. Supporter

    The Dude abides.

    PhilipIITet-Reefer.jpg
     
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  21. Clavdivs

    Clavdivs Hoping to figure this out eventually....

    I knew that would fit perfectly!!... Coin value increased.....
    Awesome!!!!
     
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