Whizzed Or Dipped 1890-CC Morgan "MS-63?"

Hey Bill,

I think you've got something there..! When we work on a problem long enough someone will come up with a solution that is acceptable.... NICE WORK.

catman

 

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Just a note. I am an Ebay seller/buyer with over 600 positive feedbacks and no negative or nuetral (yet). This takes a lot of work and patience.

I absolutely will not leave feedback to a buyer until they are happy and leave feedback for me. When I buy something, I will always leave feedback, immediately if I'm happy with the item received, or, if I'm not happy with the item or service, I will wait until it is resolved before leaving feedback. I've only left negative feedback a couple times (once to Heritage Numismatic Auctions!), but mostly things get resolved as well as I can expect, sometimes better.

The key is patience and a willingness to accept part of the blame when something goes wrong. Just pretend you are dealing with your Mother.

 

The age-old (in eBay time) question of when a seller should leave feedback is sure to be one of the intractable questions of our time.

 

Since the discussion has turned to the leaving of eBay feedback, I guess I have to chime in. Most everyone here knows my feelings on this. I sell and buy (under different ID's). As a buyer, I leave feedback as soon as I receive the item and am satisfied. There have been a couple of problems that have had to be worked out, but I contact the seller and work them out. Then I leave feedback based on how the problem was handled - not based on the fact that there was a problem. I do not expect a seller to leave feedback from me until they know that I, as the customer, am satisfied. Until the customer is satisfied, the transaction is not over.

As a seller, I leave feedback after I know the customer is happy. How do I know that my customers are happy? By the feedback left for me. Waiting to leave feedback is not necessarily being done for retaliatory or blackmail reasons. This is a misconception that has been held by buyers for a long time. Regardless of how you feel about it, the buyer's part of the transaction is not complete until they have expressed satisfaction with the transaction - whether it was a smooth one or there were problems to be dealt with.

A buyer who does not give a seller a chance to resolve an issue is not a satisfactory buyer and has not completed their part of the transaction in a satisfactory manner. If the seller is contacted and refuses to satisfy the buyer a neutral or a negative feedback is warranted - regardless of whether the seller has already left feedback or not. I recently had to leave a neutral and a negative to a seller for misrepresentation of their item and VERY delayed shipping. The seller retaliated with two negatives. They were certainly entitled to do that, but the rest of my feedback vs. hers speaks for itself. If my feedback rating is misinterpreted, that's the breaks.

Granted, the feedback rating as a seller is much more important in the transaction. For this reason, there are many sellers who wait to be sure that their customers are happy before leaving feedback. I have seen many transactions in which the buyer never contacted the seller before leaving a negative feedback because the seller had already left feedback and it was easier to just neg the seller. Without feedback being left, the perception that the transaction is still open goes a long way to influencing the buyer to work with the seller and provide a chance for the seller to make good on the transaction. Let's remember folks, everyone makes mistakes. The true measure of a seller's ethics is how the mistake is handled, and everyone should be given a chance to rectify an honest mistake. A seller withholding feeback provides that opportunity that would not otherwise be taken by impatient buyers.

I am not saying that there aren't sellers who use feedback in a retaliatory way, but even honest sellers will wait to leave feedback until a transaction is considered to be complete.

 

Here are the two main reasons why I do not recommend Ebay to people who are not well versed in numismatics. This whole feedback system is flawed to protect the power sellers. I have heard so many horror stories from collectors that DO NOT leave a negative rating because of the backlash. Unfortunately, the snowball continues to roll along and run over unsuspecting collectors who look at the high feedback rating and falsely believe that they are safe.

 

I would like to point out to those buyers who use snipe programs that your feedback rating is not going to play a very important role in your winning an auction if your bid is placed in the last couple seconds of an auction. Therefore, regardless of whether a seller has left FB for you or not, you can feel free to leave whatever feedback the seller truly deserves.

 

I finally received an answer back from the seller of the Morgan or, at least from her husband/SO/partner after sending out a resend of my first message. He stated that they have a 72-hour return policy (1st time I had heard about it) and that he preferred the coin be returned to him immediately if I was not satisfied. I advised him that I had already submitted the coin to PCGS, but that if they had responded to my earlier messages and I had known of a return policy before I had sent it out, I might have sent it back. However, I stated, because the coin is borderline zipped (old dip or maybe not at all), PCGS might still certify it.

I may have eaten the Big Weinie on this deal, but I went into it knowing it was a risk. We'll just have to wait and see what PCGS says - I sent it in with several others using the 15-day Regular service, so it should be back about the 3rd week of January.

It's a heluva business.

Fred

 

You know Fred. I would be more concerned as to how you graded the coin and not worry about PCGS's opinion. If you like the coin then you should keep it. If you don't then it should be returned to the seller.

catman

 

I am also ready to buy a CC Morgan in a GSA holder. Is there a problem w/ fakes in gsa holders?
thx

 

Fakes

SilverDollarMan,

I have heard that people were opening the holders and putting in different CC dollars but I have yet to see a fake dollar itself. I don't know how they would open one of the original holders without doing permanent damage to it.

You will probably have to get more information elsewhere about this. I sure would like to have a definitive answer myself.

catman

 

Thx 4 the fast answer CatMan.

The seller should, after all if I buy and pay promptly, my end of bargain is complete. I should get pos fb

 

UPDATE: I finally received the 90CC Morgan which started this thread back from PCGS this past Monday (7Feb05). It was body-bagged as expected with "Altered Surface" (dipped or cleaned). On Tuesday, I sent an email to the Seller advising her and him of PCGS's determination and offered them various alternatives of what could now be done with the coin (send to ANACS for a Net Grade, sell as is on eBay with an honest description, or return it to them for a refund).

I received a response back from the sellers asking me to return the coin for a refund. This floored me since I was expecting the old brush-off. It's now all wrapped up for shipment and I'll get it to the Post Office shortly.

I suppose there's several morals to this story but, for me, the most important one is that open, constant, and non-belligerent communication works.

 

Ata-Boy Fred, I like to hear of good things happening to honest people.

 

After a week's delay following the online Delivery Confirmation tracking indication that the Morgan had been delivered, I finally received my PayPal refund for the full amount plus shipping, handling, and insurance. Blew me away. I added very positive follow-up feedback for the Seller.

But, I noticed what appeared to be the identical Morgan is now apparently relisted by the Seller with the identical dscription as "MS-63 Blast White". I cannot prove that it's the same coin since the distinctive marks on the coin don't show up in what is possibly a PhotoShopped image, but I don't believe in coincidences.