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<p>[QUOTE="kirispupis, post: 8178031, member: 118780"]I remember researching this coin earlier and it is not from Ptolemy Keraunos. I can't find the paper that discusses it, but the argument is strong.</p><p><br /></p><p>My understanding is this is not a coin of Thrace, but elsewhere (again, need the paper to specify where).</p><p><br /></p><p>The primary argument is the marriage between Ptolemy and Arsinoe was very brief and hostile. Keraunos eventually killed her two youngest children, and he would not have been motivated at all to create a coin depicting her.</p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=91461]@Ryro[/USER]'s coin, though, with the head of Zeus, is attributed to Keraunos.</p><p><br /></p><p>For what it's worth here's my Ptolemy Keraunos.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1429391[/ATTACH] </p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">KINGS of MACEDON. Ptolemy Keraunos. 281-279 BCE</font></font></p><p><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4"><p style="text-align: center">AR Tetradrachm</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">In the name and types of Alexander III. Amphipolis mint. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin headdress / Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monograms in left field and below throne.</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">Price 537; Mathisen, Administrative –. </p><p></font></font></p><p><br /></p><p>Here's my Arsinoe II. Most of her coins are posthumous, but this was when Ephesus was briefly named for her.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1429390[/ATTACH] </p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">Ionien, Ephesos als Arsinoe</font></font></p><p><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4"><p style="text-align: center">AE Dichalkon 287-281 BCE under Aristagoras</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">4.23g</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">Vs.: verschleierter Kopf der Arsinoe II. n. r.</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">Rs.: Hirsch lagert n. l., Kopf n. r."</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">SNG v. Aulock 1840; Svoronos 134, 883 Taf. 26, 13</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">ex Kölner Münzkabinett</p><p></font></font></p><p><br /></p><p>Here's the "sibling-lover"</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1429394[/ATTACH] </p><p style="text-align: center"><font size="4"><font face="Book Antiqua">Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, Ptolemy II Philadelphos</font></font></p><p><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4"><p style="text-align: center">AR Tetradrachm. Tyre, dated RY 30 = 256/5 BCE</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">14.01g, 25mm, 12h.</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">Diademed head of Ptolemy I to right, wearing aegis around neck / ΠΤΟΛEΜΑΙOΥ [BAΣΙΛEΩΣ], eagle standing to left; monogram of Tyre above club to left; Λ (date) above monogram to right; A between legs.</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">CPE 577; Svoronos 657; SNG Copenhagen 488; DCA 20</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">Ex collection of R. N. Draskowski;</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">Ex Ephesus Numismatics, North Carolina, USA</p><p></font></font></p><p><br /></p><p>Finally, here's the son of Arsinoe II Keraunos didn't get (though it may have been posthumous)</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1429401[/ATTACH] </p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">Chr. KINGDOM OF EGYPT - PTOLEMAIOS III EUERGETES</font></font></p><p><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4"><p style="text-align: center">dichalkon 3,36gr. | bronze Ø 17mm.</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">Minted in Telmessos (Lycia) by Ptolemy Epigonos or Lysimachos 246-221 BCE</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">Svoronos 118,793 (Plate 25, 23) | SNG.Copenhagen- | Weiser 80 | Lorber B437</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">weight 3,36gr. | bronze Ø 17mm.</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">obv. Horned head of Zeus-Ammon right, wearing taenia</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">rev. Eagle with closed wings standing left on thunderbolt, tripod in left field,</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">BAΣIΛEΩΣ on right, ΠTOΛEMAIOY on left</p></font></font></p><p style="text-align: center"><font face="Book Antiqua"><font size="4">Ex Henzen</p><p></font></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kirispupis, post: 8178031, member: 118780"]I remember researching this coin earlier and it is not from Ptolemy Keraunos. I can't find the paper that discusses it, but the argument is strong. My understanding is this is not a coin of Thrace, but elsewhere (again, need the paper to specify where). The primary argument is the marriage between Ptolemy and Arsinoe was very brief and hostile. Keraunos eventually killed her two youngest children, and he would not have been motivated at all to create a coin depicting her. [USER=91461]@Ryro[/USER]'s coin, though, with the head of Zeus, is attributed to Keraunos. For what it's worth here's my Ptolemy Keraunos. [ATTACH=full]1429391[/ATTACH] [CENTER][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=4]KINGS of MACEDON. Ptolemy Keraunos. 281-279 BCE[/SIZE][/FONT][/CENTER] [FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=4][CENTER]AR Tetradrachm In the name and types of Alexander III. Amphipolis mint. Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin headdress / Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; monograms in left field and below throne. Price 537; Mathisen, Administrative –. [/CENTER][/SIZE][/FONT] Here's my Arsinoe II. Most of her coins are posthumous, but this was when Ephesus was briefly named for her. [ATTACH=full]1429390[/ATTACH] [CENTER][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=4]Ionien, Ephesos als Arsinoe[/SIZE][/FONT][/CENTER] [FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=4][CENTER]AE Dichalkon 287-281 BCE under Aristagoras 4.23g Vs.: verschleierter Kopf der Arsinoe II. n. r. Rs.: Hirsch lagert n. l., Kopf n. r." SNG v. Aulock 1840; Svoronos 134, 883 Taf. 26, 13 ex Kölner Münzkabinett[/CENTER][/SIZE][/FONT] Here's the "sibling-lover" [ATTACH=full]1429394[/ATTACH] [CENTER][SIZE=4][FONT=Book Antiqua]Ptolemaic Kingdom of Egypt, Ptolemy II Philadelphos[/FONT][/SIZE][/CENTER] [FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=4][CENTER]AR Tetradrachm. Tyre, dated RY 30 = 256/5 BCE 14.01g, 25mm, 12h. Diademed head of Ptolemy I to right, wearing aegis around neck / ΠΤΟΛEΜΑΙOΥ [BAΣΙΛEΩΣ], eagle standing to left; monogram of Tyre above club to left; Λ (date) above monogram to right; A between legs. CPE 577; Svoronos 657; SNG Copenhagen 488; DCA 20 Ex collection of R. N. Draskowski; Ex Ephesus Numismatics, North Carolina, USA[/CENTER][/SIZE][/FONT] Finally, here's the son of Arsinoe II Keraunos didn't get (though it may have been posthumous) [ATTACH=full]1429401[/ATTACH] [CENTER][FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=4]Chr. KINGDOM OF EGYPT - PTOLEMAIOS III EUERGETES[/SIZE][/FONT][/CENTER] [FONT=Book Antiqua][SIZE=4][CENTER]dichalkon 3,36gr. | bronze Ø 17mm. Minted in Telmessos (Lycia) by Ptolemy Epigonos or Lysimachos 246-221 BCE Svoronos 118,793 (Plate 25, 23) | SNG.Copenhagen- | Weiser 80 | Lorber B437 weight 3,36gr. | bronze Ø 17mm. obv. Horned head of Zeus-Ammon right, wearing taenia rev. Eagle with closed wings standing left on thunderbolt, tripod in left field, BAΣIΛEΩΣ on right, ΠTOΛEMAIOY on left Ex Henzen[/CENTER][/SIZE][/FONT][/QUOTE]
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