Which grade Morgan to focus on??

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Curio Bill, Jul 2, 2010.

  1. WashQuartJesse

    WashQuartJesse Member Supporter

    My local dealers routinely get walk-ins looking for stacks/bags of "silver dollars." For relatively common dates, there's no grading taking place sub high AU. They're thrown in with the others at a small premium above spot. I remember one old timer who rode down in his power wheel chair driving away with at least a thousand dollars worth of "silver dollars." "Ya mind throwin' in one ah them shiney ones" he said. The dealer charged him maybe $30 for that one, it was certainly MS-62 + with original surfaces. I'm not sure how you figure only culls are affected by bullion when old timers like this are in and out of these places everyday buying thousands of dollars worth of EF-45 Peace and Morgans for little more than what there silver content is worth.
     
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  3. spock1k

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  4. usc96

    usc96 Junior Member

    Sounds like a reasonable plan of action, and similar to the one I've chosen. I've been picking up MS64 PCGS slabbed Morgans in the common dates because they seem to be $100+ cheaper than their MS65 siblings. Most commons seem to be around $30 - $60, with a few higher. My most recent acquisition was a MS64 1921D in a PCGS case for $130.00. I want to use my $$$ to pick up the rarer offerings, like MS65 CCs.
     
  5. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Yeah, and the 81-S has one of the nicest strikes in the entire series. Don't settle for anything without full detail.

    Others in that same general ballpark are the 79-S, 80-S & 82-S. These are also noted for a nice strike.

    Chris
     
  6. PeacePeople

    PeacePeople Wall St and stocks, where it's at

    So you're saying that this dealer is selling these for about $14 each? That is about the spot content @ $18 silver.
     
  7. PeacePeople

    PeacePeople Wall St and stocks, where it's at

    Doug, those are slabbed coins and have nothing to do with silver bullion pricing. Yes, you can buy common date slabbed and very nice examples forn $40, but that is 3X the bullion value.

    I think we're talking about 2 different things
     
  8. cpm9ball

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    I believe Doug was referencing the original post which is a discussion about buying slabbed Morgans. The other post was just a sidetrack.

    Chris
     
  9. usc96

    usc96 Junior Member

    So was the final assessment that the plan of the OP and others to collect MS64 and up slabbed Morgans is sound? :D

    Also, that if you are a pure investor, that MS65 and up is the way to go.
     
  10. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    That's my take on the gist of the conversation. I think we have someone with a heart of a collector and hopes it will also be a good investment. But I could be wrong.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No we're not. Read my first comment again -

     
  12. cpm9ball

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    I think Bill is more concerned about the purchase of Morgans in too low a grade which may or may not be influenced by the melt price of silver. As he stated, he's not looking to plan his retirement on these purchases, but he would like to buy them in grades which at least have a chance for some appreciation rather than remain static and have inflation eat away at future value.

    Chris
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Well read the original question again -

    Now it seems pretty clear what Bill wants to do. And his question about which grade of the 3 he mentioned is what I tried to answer with my first response.


    Does it not seem obvious that if common date MS64 Morgans sell for $40 and less today (and I provided evidence to show that was true) that they would not be a good choice for investment ? I suppose I should have gone on to explain that even 10 years ago those same coins sold for pretty much the same price they do today.

    So the answer to your second question -

    - is answered by my response as well. But it should be noted that in some cases even MS65 is not high enough. That's because some date/mint combinations of Morgans in MS65 can be purchased today for little more than $100. Ten years ago those same coins were selling for little less than $100. That's not much of a return on an investment.

    The thing I guess the a lot of people don't realize is that Morgan dollars are as common as dirt, even in higher grades. And since coins in general make lousy investments anyway, common coins make even worse investments.

    There are no Morgans that are real rarities, with the possible exception of branch mint Proofs. There are even very few that are scarce. So about the only hope anyone has of making a good investment with Morgans is to buy condition rarities. And to do that you really, really, need to know the series extensively. You also need to be able to grade yourself so that you don't get stuck buying a dog in a piece of plastic with a high number on it. The TPG's over-grade Morgans seemingly on a whim. So if you don't really know what you are doing buying Morgans as an investment typically turns into a disaster.

    Now hopefully that answers your question.
     
  14. Curio Bill

    Curio Bill Junior Member

    Thanks for all the replies guys. One thing I meant/implied but probably didn't make clear in my OP was that it seems a lot of ms63 & ms64 morgans are underpriced in that they should sell for more than their current $50-$60 prices, even if they are common coins. Like I kinda said, I don't have enough $$ to be considered an investor, but I like morgan & I would like to focus on coins that would not Lose money.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Consider this Bill -

    In the early 14th century the Abbot of Tournai, Gilles Li Muisis, made a rather astute comment. En monnoies est li cose moult obscure Elles vont haut et bas, se ne set-on que faire Quand on guide wagnier, on troeve le contraire.

    Translation - "Coins are the most obscure things. Their value rises and falls, and one does not know what to do. When one thinks that he has gained, he finds the contrary - that he has lost".

    Now that was said over 700 years ago. Nothing has changed.
     
  16. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Fortunately for me, this doesn't bother me in the least. I enjoy coins for the hobby that it is. I'll let my heirs sort out the rest.

    Chris
     
  17. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    ok that is why i was saying what did you do 700 years ago when there were no books. it reminds me you should do a coin of the century thread. we will start with the first century. you have t tell us which coin was the best and why? okie?
     
  18. Curio Bill

    Curio Bill Junior Member

    Nothing new under the sun.............
     
  19. WashQuartJesse

    WashQuartJesse Member Supporter


    I bought a few hundred dollars worth of Peace Dollars myself that day (silver hit $19/oz.). I certainly didn't pay more than a dollar or two over melt. Like I said, a small premium over spot. People were lined up trying to buy bullion. He was tapped and I kept seeing guys getting bags of Morgans and Peace Dollars he wasn't even looking at. I only bought some to search for VAMS. Most would grade 35-45, 2 were cleaned.
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah I figured there might be hope for you :D
     
  21. usc96

    usc96 Junior Member

    That's my assessment as well. I can't afford to spend $500+ per coin times 80-something coins in the series to satisfy the MS65 investor requirement. I am a collector so I am going with MS64 and up for my set. If some turn out to be investment grade, then great.
     
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