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Message:: [QUOTE="Insider, post: 2435718, member: 24314"]'<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie14" alt=":angelic:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />@SuperDave has posted this: Well, I can proceed in blissful ignorance because I have the apparent offender on Ignore and didn't see any of what has incensed everyone so much. Therefore, I can think of the bigger picture - a lot of people who deserve better than to read only a bunch of sniping and maybe deserve some actual content.  [As requested in a very appropriate manner the first time] This thread has 68 posts and 817 reads; as usual, only a small percentage of those reading are actually participating. Lehigh96's images, albeit sharp and clear, are too small to identify specifically areas of moved metal which are characteristic of whizzing. This is absolutely correct; however, anyone who learns what the "typical altered luster" of a whizzed coin can see at a quick glance that it is whizzed.Another important - although not universal - whizzing characteristic is present to the informed observer even in small images like these. We can all see the "too shiny" areas in the fields (especially for the level of wear) and the lack of finish contrast between the bust and adjacent fields which are hallmarks of a cleaned coin. That's plain. In this case, though, it's important to notice how little of that applied, smooth finish reaches the tighter areas, and just how "large" those "tighter areas" are. Whizzing, by definition, employs a larger tool than other cleaning methods (??), and a major characteristic of a whizzed coin (at least, one done with a half-hearted (?) attempt at informed, deliberate deception like this example) is that the damage/effect will usually be limited to the widest-open areas of the coin. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Not entirely true. None of the "shiny" on Lehigh96's coin reaches the rim, mostly due to the lighting. or areas like underneath the hair ribbon It's there , around the date It's there EXCEPT for UNDER the numerals. ,or above the head The shiny whizzing is there also. on the obverse. On the reverse, look amongst the stars and under the MM and arrows. See the marks? Those are what the whizzing was intended to eliminate, This makes a really good sounding "story."  The main reason coins are whizzed is to make them look like a "frosty" original BU coin.  Whizzing is RARELY done to remove marks or hide repairs. but the polishing wheel couldn't reach them without severely damaging the adjacent device details Whizzing has damaged ALL the relief details on this coin  - that's what whizzing does! so the miscreant stayed away from them. And that's the lesser-known hallmark of whizzing - no marks on the open fields Absolutely incorrect! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie14" alt=":angelic:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> - where you'd most expect them - yet marks remaining in the places the whizzing tool couldn't reach. It's also the difference between whizzing and mechanical cleaning like brushing and polishing. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Totally misinformed statement. You whiz a coin to remove marks, not to remove crud. While I GUESS SOME FOOL might TRY to remove marks by whizzing a coin - that is not the reason the majority of coins are whizzed (see above). Now, I'll ask all the doubter's here to do a little experiment so I can back up MY POST.  Please click on the obverse of the Barber Half.  Do you see ALL THE MARKS LEFT ON THE SURFACE OF THE COIN that the whizzing did not remove?  <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> When a coin is whizzed, the only places where ANY untouched surface remains is RIGHT UP NEXT to he point where the relief meets the field.  That is where the tool leaves the coin's surface.  As it does this, the edge of the relief design appears pushed up into a very thin lip*.  *This is the ONLY characteristic that defines whizzing from any other form of mechanical cleaning. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie33" alt=":cigar:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />  Perhaps, a member can alert those who choose to stay uninformed about this post.  I tried to PM one of them so we could discuss this post and perhaps make some corrections for himself to save me the time. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie14" alt=":angelic:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]

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