Where's the RAID?

Well, Howgego lists a bee countermark on Roman Provincial issues (365), but I wonder whether it bears any relationship to older Greek marks - it does look very much like the mark on my coin. My first thought was that the coins with bee countermarks were stamped for use in Ephesos, but the Ephesos bees are of a different design altogether. Is it possible this IS the Howgego mark? Did the Romans mark older Greek coins for re-use in the provinces?

 

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Well, this confuses me more than little. I would have guessed 'countermark' since what little I know of 'overstrikes' is that they are used as a planchet for a new coin without removing all of the features of the old one??? That small bee or fly impression is the new coin leaving almost all of the old?

Maybe my Hannibal experience has my brain stalled in neutral LOL

 

I got this because of the "bee", coin looks better in hand.



Lycia, Termessos Minor
Coin: Bronze
- Apollo laureate head within dots and countermark of winged insect
TERMHS-SEWN - kithara
Mint: Oinoanda (1st C AD)
Wt./Size/Axis: 4.44g / 19mm / -
Rarity: Rare
References:

• BMC 276, 7 (Pisidia)
• SNG von Aulock 4458

Notes: Nov 13, 14 - Nice bee countermark.

 

Nice! Looking at bee counterstamps, I saw quite a few coins from Termessos.

 

Close up

 

The way folks are throwing out suggested insects, you might want to add "Starved Cicada" to that poll...

 

LOL, Hey! I am a BEEKEEPER. My neighbors LOVE my bees...great flowers, berries are awesome, and the Bees won't bother you if you let them do their job!

Yellowjackets are WASPS... you are right, they be BAD!

 

@Pishpash That fly is stuck in AMBER!!!

 

I know that ,but a few decent graded ones will do. I think they even have a beetle coin too. and this my friend is why I like coins being a life long hobby.

 

Wow, JA => that's an awesome wasp!!

Yah, I'm very jealous of that great counterstamp (congrats)

 

I actually saw a piece with a grasshopper device in its field in the current CNG auction. Always find somthin' new.

 

Lucania, Velia AR Nomos
300-280 BC
Athena & Lion with prey and Grasshopper

 

Too bad that grasshopper wasn't struck juuuust a little lower.

 

then the price would have been juuuust a little higher

 

i vote bee as well, but it's still just as cool a coi if it's a fly!

i don't have any bugs!

 

Ditto.