Where have all the experts gone.

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by bqcoins, Oct 17, 2010.

  1. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    I think it's safe to say Mike is an expert......:)
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    OK - why ? Because he wrote a bunch of articles ? Writing articles doesn't make you an expert, it just means you write articles. Mike writes for a living, to supplement his day job.

    Now don't get me wrong, I'm not taking anything away from Mike, and while you or others may not realize that, Mike does. Ask Mike if he thinks he's an expert, and if so in what.

    As I have said before, I am certainly no expert. But I have written a whole dang lot of articles. Been interviewed by every coin magazine there is. Was the Newsletter Editor for World Internet Numismatic Society for 2 years, started and ran the Time For a Change In Our Change campaign - the list goes on. But I am definitely no expert.

    Experts are people like Bowers, Fahey, Cambell, Fazzari, Leidman, Martin, Lange etc etc etc. I can't hold a candle to any of those guys, I'm not even in the same state with those guys let alone the same ballpark.
     
  4. green18

    green18 Unknown member Sweet on Commemorative Coins

    Then perhaps the word we're looking for is knowledgeable and perhaps the original title of this thread should be re-worded to read "Where have all the knowledgeable folks gone".....
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I agree Green, and that's the point I have been trying to make all along. People toss around the word expert like they do the word rare. Eventually it gets to the point that the word is meaningless.
     
  6. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Doug,

    The word expert is a relative term. Compared to the people you listed, you are correct, you are not an expert. Compared to the average collector, you are an expert. I am not sure why we are arguing over terminology when everyone understands the point of the OP.
     
  7. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I am certainly with lehigh on this one. While you make good points doug I think we understood the intention behind the use of the word. And who I consider experts might not match others.
     
  8. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    erxpertise is in the eye of the beholder so to speak.

    That said... I AM an expert... about bowling!
     
  9. Vess1

    Vess1 CT SP VIP Supporter

    Bingo!

    expert >noun a person who is very knowledgeable about or skillful in a particular area. >adjective having or involving such knowledge or skill.
    -DERIVATIVES expertly >adverb expertness >noun.
    -ORIGIN Latin expertus, from experiri 'try'.

    While there's nothing wrong with some people's natural tendency to be modest, lets not discredit people either. There are levels of expertise but that doesn't mean one should be ashamed to accept the title.
    Anybody who is serious about this hobby that has learned and retained knowledge over the course of years, if not decades, is an expert to a non-collector that comes on here because they just found an old nickel in the basement.

    The definition of "expert" is not that dynamic beyond the issue of "very" being a relative term.
     
  10. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Of course. I would say writing several dozen articles on a subject is strong evidence one is an expert in that area. What's all the fuss about ?
     
  11. GoldCoinLover

    GoldCoinLover Senior Member

    Nobody is an expert. We are all constantly learning.
     
  12. kaparthy

    kaparthy Well-Known Member

    I thought that I made the same point. Perhaps I do not write as clearly as I would like to. Of those in your list, though GD, Bowers and Lange are writers. That does not separate them from the others though, except that -- as you say -- they write. What I am an expert at is writing, not numismatics.

    I've written about robots, and aviators, engineers and dog groomers, the business of musical theater, and more. Numismatics is just interesting to me for several reasons, but, basically, I am a perpetual newbie -- and I warrant that those experts you cite would say the same thing about themselves. After all, as noted, we all engage in a lot of false modesty as a protection against the fall that follows pride.
     
  13. GoldCoinLover

    GoldCoinLover Senior Member

    God, I've always wanted to meet Fazzari.

    Guy who discovered the omega counterfeits...I hope to see him next year at the counterfeit detection class in colorado. Too bad I missed it this year.
     
  14. Catbert

    Catbert Evil Cat

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  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Guys I made my comments based on bq's question. Now going on what many of you have been telling me, bq himself would qualify as an expert. So I kind of figured that his definition of expert differs from what some of you are calling an expert. His question after all implies that he does not think of himself as an expert either since he is th eone looking for answers and apparently not getting them. To my way of thinking, an expert would have those answers. But have it your way.

    And Mike, it's not false modesty. You see, I have personally met and had extended conversations with quite a few real experts. It was quite humbling every single time. Compared to them I know nothing. Ask them just about any question and they can answer off the tops of their heads. That's an expert. While I can answer a lot of questions, most of them I have go look up in a book. That's not an expert - by any definition.

    But hey, who am I to say. Call it what you will.
     
  16. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    grandpa only i know the real truth that you are a student for everyone else ur an expert live with it :D
     
  17. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    really ?

    i can KO you right now but ill be nice :D
     
  18. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    There is an aspect to "expert" that has not been discussed, and that is the person who accumulates information from others and can repeat it, but makes no advances in the field. To most in science, that person is not an expert. If knowledge is a step ladder, an expert will climb to the top to see what is there, an accumulator of information is happy to sit on the bottom step and tell people it is a ladder. Numismatics is a science to me, to be an expert, you have to be making new inroads and discoveries and building on the work of others in the field. JMHO.

    jim
     
  19. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    Mike who?

    Mike Tyson? Harvey was telling me he has started collecting coins but an expert are you sure?
     
  20. spock1k

    spock1k King of Hearts

    i wonder if i can get my pet parrot to repeat what i say and get paid in half? :D jim you have given me a wonderful idea. thanks
     
  21. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    This thread has become like a form of torture.
     
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