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<p>[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 3387951, member: 75937"]<i>Let's see your coins of Faustina I with veiled busts or anything you feel is relevant!</i></p><p><br /></p><p>~~~</p><p><br /></p><p>Specialist collectors know that it makes no sense to hold out for "a better example," when a certain coin comes up for auction that is the <i>only</i> example. Such was the case with this dupondius of Faustina I when it recently came up for auction.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]899895[/ATTACH]</p><p>Faustina I, AD 138-141.</p><p>Roman orichalcum dupondius, 10.62 g, 28.1 mm, 7 h.</p><p>Rome, AD 147-161 (probably AD 150/51).</p><p>Obv: DIVA FAV-STINA, diademed, veiled and draped bust, right.</p><p>Rev: AETER-NITAS S C, Fortuna standing left, holding globe and rudder.</p><p>Refs: RIC 1160b; BMCRE4 1557 var. (bust); Cohen 9; RCV 4640 var. (bust); ERIC II 356.</p><p>Notes: Beckmann (<i>Diva Faustina: Coinage and Cult in Rome and the provinces. </i>American Numismatic Society, 2012, pp. 63-69) makes an argument, based on die-linkage studies of Faustina's aurei, that a massive issue of coins in all denominations bearing the reverse legend AETERNITAS took place in AD 150/151 to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the empress's death.</p><p><br /></p><p>As a general rule, coins of Diva Faustina I with a veiled bust are harder to come by than their bare-headed counterparts and this one is no exception. Examples of this middle bronze with the bare-headed bust are infrequently sold. None with either bust are currently for sale at V-Coins; Wildwinds has no examples of this coin with either bust; acsearchinfo reports that only <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=Faustina+1160&category=1-2&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&images=1&thesaurus=1&order=0&currency=usd&company=" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=Faustina+1160&category=1-2&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&images=1&thesaurus=1&order=0&currency=usd&company=" rel="nofollow">two examples</a> -- both bare-headed -- have sold in the past 15 years; CoinArchives notes <a href="https://www.coinarchives.com/a/results.php?search=Faustina+1160&s=0&upcoming=0&results=100" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinarchives.com/a/results.php?search=Faustina+1160&s=0&upcoming=0&results=100" rel="nofollow">an additional sale earlier this year</a>, but it's the same one that sold at CNG in 2012 previously noted at acsearchinfo.</p><p><br /></p><p>In contrast, there is not a single copy of the veiled bust variety to be found online. The British Museum has <a href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=1198756&partId=1&searchText=Faustina+1557&page=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=1198756&partId=1&searchText=Faustina+1557&page=1" rel="nofollow">only the bare-headed bust variety</a>:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]899898[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>And no examples of the coin are to be found at Wildwinds, CoinArchives, acsearchinfo, <a href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/" rel="nofollow">OCRE</a>, <a href="http://www.coryssa.org" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coryssa.org" rel="nofollow">Coryssa</a>, <a href="http://coinproject.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coinproject.com/" rel="nofollow">The Coin Project</a>, <a href="http://www.coinscatalog.com/index.php" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinscatalog.com/index.php" rel="nofollow">CoinsCatalog</a>, or at V-Coins. Basically, I am unable to find another example of my coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>The corresponding denarius also exists in bare-headed and veiled bust varieties, but each of these are much easier to come by than the middle bronzes.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]899919[/ATTACH]</p><p>Faustina Sr, AD 138-141</p><p>Roman AR denarius, 3.83 g, 18.2 mm, 5 h.</p><p>Rome, AD 150/151.</p><p>Obv: DIVA FAVSTINA, draped bust, right.</p><p>Rev: AETERNITAS, Fortuna standing left, holding globe and rudder.</p><p>Refs: RIC 348a; BMCRE 360 ff; Cohen 6; RCV 4577.</p><p>Notes: Overstruck on a previously issued coin; undertype not identifiable.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]899921[/ATTACH]</p><p>Faustina Sr, AD 138-141.</p><p>Roman AR denarius, 3.23 g, 18.6 mm, 6 h.</p><p>Obv: DIVA FAVSTINA, draped bust, right</p><p>Rev: AETERNITAS, Fortuna standing left, holding globe and rudder</p><p>Refs: RIC 348b; BMCRE 367; Cohen 7; RCV 4577 var. (bust).</p><p><br /></p><p>The coin was also issued as an aureus (bare-headed version only) and as a sestertius with both left- and right-facing bare-headed busts and in a right-facing veiled bust. I don't have these in my collection (yet).</p><p><br /></p><p>~~~[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 3387951, member: 75937"][I]Let's see your coins of Faustina I with veiled busts or anything you feel is relevant![/I] ~~~ Specialist collectors know that it makes no sense to hold out for "a better example," when a certain coin comes up for auction that is the [I]only[/I] example. Such was the case with this dupondius of Faustina I when it recently came up for auction. [ATTACH=full]899895[/ATTACH] Faustina I, AD 138-141. Roman orichalcum dupondius, 10.62 g, 28.1 mm, 7 h. Rome, AD 147-161 (probably AD 150/51). Obv: DIVA FAV-STINA, diademed, veiled and draped bust, right. Rev: AETER-NITAS S C, Fortuna standing left, holding globe and rudder. Refs: RIC 1160b; BMCRE4 1557 var. (bust); Cohen 9; RCV 4640 var. (bust); ERIC II 356. Notes: Beckmann ([I]Diva Faustina: Coinage and Cult in Rome and the provinces. [/I]American Numismatic Society, 2012, pp. 63-69) makes an argument, based on die-linkage studies of Faustina's aurei, that a massive issue of coins in all denominations bearing the reverse legend AETERNITAS took place in AD 150/151 to commemorate the 10th anniversary of the empress's death. As a general rule, coins of Diva Faustina I with a veiled bust are harder to come by than their bare-headed counterparts and this one is no exception. Examples of this middle bronze with the bare-headed bust are infrequently sold. None with either bust are currently for sale at V-Coins; Wildwinds has no examples of this coin with either bust; acsearchinfo reports that only [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=Faustina+1160&category=1-2&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&images=1&thesaurus=1&order=0¤cy=usd&company=']two examples[/URL] -- both bare-headed -- have sold in the past 15 years; CoinArchives notes [URL='https://www.coinarchives.com/a/results.php?search=Faustina+1160&s=0&upcoming=0&results=100']an additional sale earlier this year[/URL], but it's the same one that sold at CNG in 2012 previously noted at acsearchinfo. In contrast, there is not a single copy of the veiled bust variety to be found online. The British Museum has [URL='https://www.britishmuseum.org/research/collection_online/collection_object_details.aspx?objectId=1198756&partId=1&searchText=Faustina+1557&page=1']only the bare-headed bust variety[/URL]: [ATTACH=full]899898[/ATTACH] And no examples of the coin are to be found at Wildwinds, CoinArchives, acsearchinfo, [URL='http://numismatics.org/ocre/']OCRE[/URL], [URL='http://www.coryssa.org']Coryssa[/URL], [URL='http://coinproject.com/']The Coin Project[/URL], [URL='http://www.coinscatalog.com/index.php']CoinsCatalog[/URL], or at V-Coins. Basically, I am unable to find another example of my coin. The corresponding denarius also exists in bare-headed and veiled bust varieties, but each of these are much easier to come by than the middle bronzes. [ATTACH=full]899919[/ATTACH] Faustina Sr, AD 138-141 Roman AR denarius, 3.83 g, 18.2 mm, 5 h. Rome, AD 150/151. Obv: DIVA FAVSTINA, draped bust, right. Rev: AETERNITAS, Fortuna standing left, holding globe and rudder. Refs: RIC 348a; BMCRE 360 ff; Cohen 6; RCV 4577. Notes: Overstruck on a previously issued coin; undertype not identifiable. [ATTACH=full]899921[/ATTACH] Faustina Sr, AD 138-141. Roman AR denarius, 3.23 g, 18.6 mm, 6 h. Obv: DIVA FAVSTINA, draped bust, right Rev: AETERNITAS, Fortuna standing left, holding globe and rudder Refs: RIC 348b; BMCRE 367; Cohen 7; RCV 4577 var. (bust). The coin was also issued as an aureus (bare-headed version only) and as a sestertius with both left- and right-facing bare-headed busts and in a right-facing veiled bust. I don't have these in my collection (yet). ~~~[/QUOTE]
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