Hello everyone, it is my first time posting here, so I hope I am doing it right. I recently got this coin and, besides it's value, I am not sure if it is genuine. The size and the weight fits, but it still looks kinda off? I would love some of your opinions on it since I am still somewhat new to this. Thanks!
Diameter and weight? Here is one for reference. Bayern: 30 Kreuzer 1719 Max.II. Emanuel, 1679-1705: ss | MA-Shops
My first thought was an Austrian coin bearing the likeness of Leopold the Hogmouth. But I believe this piece is a bit too late. He reigned from 1640-1705. One of @lordmarcovan three kreuzer is below. @Villeneuve is your coin Thaler sized?
Sorry, I should have given more info. The coin was being sold as the Bavarian 30 Kreuzer from 1719. The diameter of this one is 29mm and the weight is 6.55g which should be within the scope of the original ones. My biggest problem is with the actual look of the coin. I have tried comparing my coin with some of the others on the internet and, while there are multiple different examples of it (same year as well), I have not found one that matches mine exactly yet. Also some parts of the surface look a bit grainy and when comparing to some other coins I have from that period that I know are original, I cannot see the same thing on them. From what I have read that could also point to a fake.
It looks completely normal to me, in the context of early 18th century coins. Note the squared-off area at 10:00 on the obverse. That appears to be a straight clip on the planchet. The type is Numista-27205. Bavaria KM-385. Neat coin. Maybe cleaned once upon a time, but it looks authentic enough to me. There does appear to be a little bit of surface roughness in places (porosity), and you’re right that that can be indicative of a cast fake, but in this case, I think it’s just that: minor roughness. I could be wrong, of course, but it doesn’t raise any red flags for me.
Could it be a die variation, the obverse sure looks like the design for the 3 Kreuzer that Randy posted. More of a hogmouth.
Leopold the Hogmouth was a different guy entirely. His similarity to Maximilian II Emanuel on this coin is entirely coincidental. Long hair, big nose, ugly face.
I am only looking at the mouth, yes I know they are two different people, look at the 2 different designs. Both your references have the mouth looking like this. This one is the OP's
Yeah. Might have been another case of the infamous “Habsburg Jaw” goin’ on there. (Like, as you suggested, Leopold “the Hogmouth” had.) I guess by the early 18th century, royal houses across Europe had gotten to be pretty inbred.
