Featured What's in the Till? (Pompeian Version)

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by David Atherton, Apr 3, 2019.

  1. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    There are coins of Domitian in the hoard, which can only be ones of him as Caesar under either Vespasian or Titus. He wouldn't become emperor until 2 years later.
     
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I wondered about "as Caesar" issues. But since Domitian later assumed the purple...?

    One wonders about folks like Agrippa and Germanicus and such, who were on plenty of coins but never attained the title of Augustus. If they had been in the mix, would they have been listed under the reigning emperor?

    But yeah, I guess not.

    PS- I see Agrippa got his own row, so never mind.
     
  4. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    It is a bit odd. I would love to see a break down of what coins types were catalogued from the hoard.
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I Googled "Falernian". Interesting.
     
  6. Aleph

    Aleph Well-Known Member

    Anyone have any idea what happened to the hoard? We could all examples from it if it was subtlety dispersed to the trade. Another interesting point. Quadrantes were segregated into their own stockpiles. There were at least a couple quadrantes hoard discovered at Pompeii, suggesting alternate usage of quadrantes in this time period, ie not just 4 quads to the as.
     
  7. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    It probably ended up in the Naples National Archaeological Museum coin cabinet.
     
  8. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Which is always closed to the public!
     
  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Were I in possession of a time machine (and not a teetotaller), I'd stroll into the establishment of L. Vetutius Placidus, walk up to the bar, plunk down these four coins, and say to the proprietor, "A glass of your best Falernian, good sir!"

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    Then I'd join my fellow patrons in their nervous conversation about all the earth tremors and the tendrils of smoke and steam coming from the mountain, and what that might mean about the mood of the gods. (Hey, I've already got a time machine in this scenario, so let's also assume I speak Latin, too.)

    Later, after everyone had fled, I'd scoop the contents of the dolia into a sack, let that poor dog off the chain, and dash 'round the corner to the haystack where my time machine was concealed, then just in the nick of time, I'd pop back to the 21st century, bringing the hoard along for us to examine.

    (Might try to find myself an aureus for a souvenir, while I'm at it. I'd look where the Boscoreale hoard was later found. But I'd pick a different coin to keep and leave the rest there, so @AncientJoe could still have his. By escaping the heat of the eruption, my example wouldn't have that great purple toning, but I'd pick a high grade one with an interesting reverse.)
     
  10. Aleph

    Aleph Well-Known Member

    That certainly is what should have happened to it but I wonder if it’s still there and if anyone could actually locate it...
     
  11. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Interesting you should mention precursor phenomena before the main eruption. The volcanic evidence does show there was indeed a small initial ash fall due east of the crater, distinct from the main pumice fallout which was oriented south. It would've have been easily viewed from Pompeii the morning of the eruption, perhaps as a curiosity. The water supply to the town was interrupted a few days before the eruption and there were increasing earth tremors, all of which would indicate to the inhabitants something was not quite right.
     
  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Though I seldom read fiction anymore, Robert Harris' novel was superb. (All of his Roman-era historical fiction is.)
     
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  13. Rich Buck

    Rich Buck Yukon Cornelius

    Very interesting post - Thanks.
     
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  14. PatAR

    PatAR New Member

    Thanks for a great glimpse at the daily use of coins of the day and the interesting context of the bar and signs!

    And I learned about Falernian! :)
     
  15. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    While doing separate research tonight on Flavian quadrantes, I came across @Valentinian's wonderful page on the subject. http://augustuscoins.com/ed/quadrans/index.html

    Under references is Marvin Taemeanko's "Numismatic Mystery" SAN April 1993. In the article Taemeanko writes "The largest find of quadrantes (including semises) from an archaeological site was the 1237 coins found in Pompeii in 1939. They were found in the cash box of a restaurant owned by Vestutius Placidus."

    The OP hoard cited above is from the same bar in Pompeii, but only 3(!) quadrantes are listed. Is T. citing a different hoard from the same bar or is there some kind of mix-up? T.'s article is from 1993, but apparently the Placidus hoard wasn't properly catalogued until 1997.
     
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  16. Jay GT4

    Jay GT4 Well-Known Member

    Sadly Marvin passed away a few years ago. I had the pleasure of meeting him several times. Does he mention any references in the article?
     
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  17. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    I don't have the article in hand, only what Warren quoted from it. This is the one reference that is cited though - 'Circolazione Monetale--etc. --- a Pompei' in 'Pompeiana' by Laura Breglia, page 59. In Warren's footnote it is mention the hoard was uncatalogued at the time T. wrote his article.
     
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  18. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    What strikes me as a bit odd is the lack of coins of Nero. He had a relatively long reign and ruled until less than fifteen years before the eruption but huis coins were not as common as earlier rulers. Any musings on that?
     
  19. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

  20. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    My pictures of the shop and the surrounding area. Pompeii is truly magnificent...

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  21. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    It doesnt look too crowded. What time of the year did you go?
     
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