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<p>[QUOTE="kevin McGonigal, post: 4976156, member: 72790"][ATTACH=full]1195749[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1195740[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1195741[/ATTACH] Most of us who collect ancients are well aware of the names of the different denominations of coinage from drachmas to denarii, assaria to aurei but every once in a while we hear or read of the somewhat unsettling suggestion that what we call them now may not be the name by which the ancients referred to these coins in the marketplace. That ought not to be entirely surprising, though, as we sometimes use colloquial terms for our currency rather than their official denominations in our everyday language. Though the US treasury has not ever issued pennies or bucks (or the Brits quid or bob) we have used these more colloquial terms in our everyday parlance, if not at the bank, then at least at the corner shop.</p><p><br /></p><p>What I have been trying to figure out is whether what we call denominations of ancient coins are what the locals called them in the agora or forum. Ancient authors rarely talked about the names of their denominations at all. On occasion some the playwriters of ancient literature. Aristophanes, Plautus, Terrence, mention these things in their dialogues. For example we hear of a certain Spartan leader (who should not be familiar with any money other than iron spits) having a rather large number of 'owls' roosting in his attic. Of course the reference is to the Attic tetradrachma of Athens and probably everybody in Athens who heard this knew that the 'owl' was the Attic tetradrachma coin and got the joke. Lacking very much of this kind of insider information we have to consider whether we have it right or not, with what names the ancients actually employed for their coins. I simply cannot imagine a Greek walking into his local taberna and asking how much wine he can get for a tritartemorion. There had to be more common names for these coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>The earliest Roman coinage we have knowledge of is the copper As and this name does appear so often in documents that it probably was the term used in the streets for the coin, though its fractions like sextans and triens and uncia do not get much mentioned and may have had slang names. The first Roman silver coins, based on the nomos (or didrachma) of the Greek states in Magna Graecia were probably referred to by the Romans as nomoi or nummi and when imitated by them, as Quadrigati (according to John Melville Jones in his Dictionary of Ancient Roman coins, pp. 88-89). It also appears that the Roman silver coin we call the Victoriatus was also commonly called that by contemporary Romans. The denarius was so commonly called its correct name in actual use that it survived the fall of the empire and entered any number of later languages as the name for a coin or money (dinar, denier, dineiro, denaro). The odd thing is that the Romans did not use the denarius as a coin of account until it was pretty much out of circulation as an actual coin, keeping their accounts is sesterces, an actual first small silver coin and later a larger brass piece, until the time of Diocletian and the use of denarius communis as a new coin of account. As for the gold coin, aureus seems to have been both the common name and official one. In Latin aureus simply means, of gold or golden so an aureus was a gold piece. In the Fourth Century AD, it became the aureus solidus, the sturdy, solid gold piece.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now for the really difficult part. We are pretty certain that what name that we use today for some coins was not the one used in ancient times. The double denarius of Caracalla has only one reference for ever being called the antoninianus in ancient times(Van Meter p. 14) and that by an author, (Ammianus) who wrote long after that coin was out of circulation. It was probably the double of the denarius in value(though not in weight). Jones even speculates that the term, binio, was used for this coin before it was later applied to a double gold coin (Dictionary of Ancient Roman Coins, p. 37). And when we hit the Fourth century it gets even more muddled. Today we commonly refer to the large silvered bronzes of the tetrarchy as 'folles' when we are</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1195748[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kevin McGonigal, post: 4976156, member: 72790"][ATTACH=full]1195749[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1195740[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1195741[/ATTACH] Most of us who collect ancients are well aware of the names of the different denominations of coinage from drachmas to denarii, assaria to aurei but every once in a while we hear or read of the somewhat unsettling suggestion that what we call them now may not be the name by which the ancients referred to these coins in the marketplace. That ought not to be entirely surprising, though, as we sometimes use colloquial terms for our currency rather than their official denominations in our everyday language. Though the US treasury has not ever issued pennies or bucks (or the Brits quid or bob) we have used these more colloquial terms in our everyday parlance, if not at the bank, then at least at the corner shop. What I have been trying to figure out is whether what we call denominations of ancient coins are what the locals called them in the agora or forum. Ancient authors rarely talked about the names of their denominations at all. On occasion some the playwriters of ancient literature. Aristophanes, Plautus, Terrence, mention these things in their dialogues. For example we hear of a certain Spartan leader (who should not be familiar with any money other than iron spits) having a rather large number of 'owls' roosting in his attic. Of course the reference is to the Attic tetradrachma of Athens and probably everybody in Athens who heard this knew that the 'owl' was the Attic tetradrachma coin and got the joke. Lacking very much of this kind of insider information we have to consider whether we have it right or not, with what names the ancients actually employed for their coins. I simply cannot imagine a Greek walking into his local taberna and asking how much wine he can get for a tritartemorion. There had to be more common names for these coins. The earliest Roman coinage we have knowledge of is the copper As and this name does appear so often in documents that it probably was the term used in the streets for the coin, though its fractions like sextans and triens and uncia do not get much mentioned and may have had slang names. The first Roman silver coins, based on the nomos (or didrachma) of the Greek states in Magna Graecia were probably referred to by the Romans as nomoi or nummi and when imitated by them, as Quadrigati (according to John Melville Jones in his Dictionary of Ancient Roman coins, pp. 88-89). It also appears that the Roman silver coin we call the Victoriatus was also commonly called that by contemporary Romans. The denarius was so commonly called its correct name in actual use that it survived the fall of the empire and entered any number of later languages as the name for a coin or money (dinar, denier, dineiro, denaro). The odd thing is that the Romans did not use the denarius as a coin of account until it was pretty much out of circulation as an actual coin, keeping their accounts is sesterces, an actual first small silver coin and later a larger brass piece, until the time of Diocletian and the use of denarius communis as a new coin of account. As for the gold coin, aureus seems to have been both the common name and official one. In Latin aureus simply means, of gold or golden so an aureus was a gold piece. In the Fourth Century AD, it became the aureus solidus, the sturdy, solid gold piece. Now for the really difficult part. We are pretty certain that what name that we use today for some coins was not the one used in ancient times. The double denarius of Caracalla has only one reference for ever being called the antoninianus in ancient times(Van Meter p. 14) and that by an author, (Ammianus) who wrote long after that coin was out of circulation. It was probably the double of the denarius in value(though not in weight). Jones even speculates that the term, binio, was used for this coin before it was later applied to a double gold coin (Dictionary of Ancient Roman Coins, p. 37). And when we hit the Fourth century it gets even more muddled. Today we commonly refer to the large silvered bronzes of the tetrarchy as 'folles' when we are [ATTACH=full]1195748[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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