What's going on with this 1863 Indian Head? Rim stuff/Clash

Was looking at some coins that came with a 7070 I bought a while ago and noticed some funky stuff going on with this 1863 Indian. The rim from about 12-2 is broken and it looks like the headdress feathers near the neck have a clash...weight is about right

 

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Slight off center strike

 

very small rim cud, pieces of the die broke off.

 

That was my guess as well, rim cud. Thanks for pointing out the off-center @dfraser !

 

Has rim cuds from about 1:00 to 5:00, can't be sure about clash marks, but it looks possible.

 

What you have here is an R-5 variety coin FND-002 repunched date northwest 1863/86 both 8 and 6 shows the repunch in the upper parts of their lower loops.
What makes this interesting is that the interest level is low for this variety the premium factor is 1.5x to 2.1 x
The repunch is more prominent then the 001 and carries a slightly higher premium . In xf 30 Au 65 ms-63 the 200$ range.
Sweet find congrats.

 

Thanks @Paddy54 do you know of any other diagnostics to look for on the FND-002? All I can find are the repunched date stats and I'm curious about whats going on with the lower headdress feathers.

 

Does the coin in hand match up to my post?
You can check Indianvarieties.com I also used a book I have on Indian head cents.
Heading off to bed now will have a look tomorrow and tag your post if I have any new information . Nice coin

 

I checked on indianvarieties.com but they don't have a ton of pictures. The 8 and 6 look similar but I am having a hard time seeing whats in the loops.

 

Is there any reverse rotation ?

 

Does not appear to be, if any very slight..

 

Post your images in full size not small.
When up loaded you'll see the tab full size

 

With the new pictures I do not see any signs of re-punching.

 

It doesn't look genuine to me.

 

Compare the date positions; they're not the same.

 

Looks genuine to me but polished or whizzed. Of course that could also just be the pictures.

 

Maybe whizzed, I could agree with that. The devices just seem very poorly executed and unlike the typical sharpness of the period. The fact that the thread went as long as it did with very smart variety guys and without anyone else calling it a counterfeit had me second guessing my opinion.

 

It's not fake the op sent me some better images of the coin as well the areas in question .He also sent me some images of a 65 variety. Granted the images aren't the best and I did call it an 002 when in fact it's an 001 variety . The two are very close in nature of the variety the 002 the stronger pups. Yes possibly it has been whizzed or cleaned. From the images given that's something you would need to see in hand.
The op also explained to me where and how he obtained the coin .... not likely again it was counterfeited.
There are some heavy hitters IHC varieties as well dates...this one isn't .
One has to realize that in the condition of the said coin you're only talking about a $30-$60 coin with the variety.
So faking a coin that has little or no real premium unless in mint state is kind of fruitless.
The other point is the interest level on the 2 varieties is low at best...again pointless to fake a coin that has no real bang for the buck . If you're going to fake a specimen why not something worth while ?

 

Genuine. NOT whizzed.
Just a very late die state (struck from worn-out dies, and a somewhat weak strike also).