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<p>[QUOTE="charley, post: 6344938, member: 5372"]yes, i am entitled, as you are. yes, i know what the grading standards state (that is also very specific.</p><p><br /></p><p>i did ask, though, were you using technical or market grading standards</p><p><br /></p><p>you are fortunate. you have a visual photo grading talent that i have encountered only twice. </p><p><br /></p><p>you also did not answered if your opinion was based on the oversized photos and would the opinion be the same if the coin is viewed using a standard 5x.</p><p><br /></p><p>i feel comfortable stating that if your opinion is based on the oversized photos (which must be the situation unless you have seen the pieces in hand), then your opinion of ms can not be supported.</p><p><br /></p><p>you state that you see wear on one or more of the high points. specifically which ones, and obverse or reverse?</p><p><br /></p><p>it is very difficult to "learn" and to state it is not is not applicable to all. what re the parameters of vision? has an ophthalmologist determined that a person has the ability to distinguish depth, wear, color spectrum, angle, does not have the beginning stages of md or glaucoma or early stage catararact formation that can distort clarity and cause an interpretation of minor blurry spots within the field of vision? is the person tested for op? is the person 180 degrees in vision sphere determination?</p><p><br /></p><p>i am happy to always discuss coins, but if it was easy, there would not be so many errors constantly made, and i suspect if you had the talent you state, john would hire you right now.</p><p><br /></p><p>the original ana standards are technical standards. what is the conjunction between what you state your standards are based on and what pcgs standards are based on? after all, there has to be a meeting of the minds.</p><p>what if the photo you are viewing is a distortion that causes high points to appear as a blemish, or the angle of light changes the highlights of the high points?</p><p><br /></p><p>no, it is not easy. and it is not easily learned, and certainty can't be taught.</p><p><br /></p><p>the hobby realizes this, and settled on an acceptable standard for opinion....5x. it did not settle on the opinion being based on a very oversized photo.</p><p><br /></p><p>as you say, i am allowed an opinion and a spirited rebuttal (within decorum rules, of course), and would expect no less. that is what the hobby is about. we all gain from such discussions.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="charley, post: 6344938, member: 5372"]yes, i am entitled, as you are. yes, i know what the grading standards state (that is also very specific. i did ask, though, were you using technical or market grading standards you are fortunate. you have a visual photo grading talent that i have encountered only twice. you also did not answered if your opinion was based on the oversized photos and would the opinion be the same if the coin is viewed using a standard 5x. i feel comfortable stating that if your opinion is based on the oversized photos (which must be the situation unless you have seen the pieces in hand), then your opinion of ms can not be supported. you state that you see wear on one or more of the high points. specifically which ones, and obverse or reverse? it is very difficult to "learn" and to state it is not is not applicable to all. what re the parameters of vision? has an ophthalmologist determined that a person has the ability to distinguish depth, wear, color spectrum, angle, does not have the beginning stages of md or glaucoma or early stage catararact formation that can distort clarity and cause an interpretation of minor blurry spots within the field of vision? is the person tested for op? is the person 180 degrees in vision sphere determination? i am happy to always discuss coins, but if it was easy, there would not be so many errors constantly made, and i suspect if you had the talent you state, john would hire you right now. the original ana standards are technical standards. what is the conjunction between what you state your standards are based on and what pcgs standards are based on? after all, there has to be a meeting of the minds. what if the photo you are viewing is a distortion that causes high points to appear as a blemish, or the angle of light changes the highlights of the high points? no, it is not easy. and it is not easily learned, and certainty can't be taught. the hobby realizes this, and settled on an acceptable standard for opinion....5x. it did not settle on the opinion being based on a very oversized photo. as you say, i am allowed an opinion and a spirited rebuttal (within decorum rules, of course), and would expect no less. that is what the hobby is about. we all gain from such discussions.[/QUOTE]
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