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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 2838884, member: 85693"]This is an interesting thread. Nowadays I <i>never</i> pay $75 for an ancient - I shoot for $30 or less. Mostly silver denarii and antoninianii, with occasional Greeks, Byzantine, etc. my collection is a bit scruffy at that price level, but thanks to eBay, bargains are out there if you don't mind digging. I'll share some of these when the "bottom feeder" thread is posted.</p><p><br /></p><p>But in the old days (pre-Internet) I did spend in the $75 range. In fact, exactly 30 years ago (August 1987), I paid exactly $75.00 for my first Greek coin, a drachm of Alexander the Great (so these are usually advertised; but my example is a posthumous issue - my attribution is based on trolling the Internet - corrections welcome, as always). Bought pre-Internet days, I got it from an illustrated mail order catalogue. In the early days I would buy ancients at that $75-$150 price level because I had to - $30 denarii and drachmae were, as I recall, rarely available or when they were they were in lousy (even by my low standards) condition. When cheap, decent material did come up, it sold out immediately (in those days you phoned the dealer to hold a coin, then mailed the check). My favorite dealer was Bill McDaniels out of New York (anybody remember him?). Very nice man, lots of lower-priced material, but he sold out fast. Nice thing with Bill was he'd send a substitute if he was sold out (with full money back return policy) - his substitutes were always just fine with me (and often better than what I'd originally paid for). But his catalogues only came out 4 or so times a year. As for the other dealers, most of the stuff was out of my price range back then (like Vcoins offerings are today). Dealers are in business and business demands that they know the worth of their merchandise, so pricing in those days (and on fixed price lists now) was full-bore retail in my experience.</p><p><br /></p><p>So what's my drachm worth today? Was my $75 spent in August 1987 a good purchase? As far as enormously common Alexander drachmae go, it has a nice style and a very pleasant tone (that tone has, FYI, remained nice for 30 years, despite my poor storage for many years (PVC flips - I just didn't know any better!)). But it is hardly a pristine specimen and the Lampsakos mint examples quite common. I might get $102.50 for it on eBay if I'm lucky.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]671187[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Macedonia Kingdom Drachm </b></p><p><b>Antigonus I Monophthalmus</b></p><p><b>(c. 320-306 B.C.)</b></p><p><b>Lampsakos Mint</b></p><p>Head of Herakles in lion skin / AΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ, Zeus std. left on throne, eagle & sceptre. Controls: obv. forepart Pegasos left; rev. AI below throne. Price 1385; S-6731. (4.22 grams / 17 mm). ex-Argos Num. Aug. 1987 $75.00</p><p><br /></p><p>Mostly what I sought and purchased in the pre-Internet days were Roman Republic silver. I purchased these from time to time, when I could afford it, in the $75.00 range, sight unseen, from dealer catalogues without illustrations (the drachma above is a rare <i>illustrated </i>exception to this). Looking over these coins today, I'm still pretty happy with the purchases, but I was paying full retail back then, and it seems the prices haven't budged much, if you include 20 years of pricing massacres on eBay (and ignore all those ludicrously high "buy it now" auctions).</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are a couple of RR denarii I bought before the Internet (1989-1992) in the $75 range (note I made a purchase from Paraguay - material was very hard to find back in those days - I was very excited when a coin catalogue - foreign or domestic - showed up in the mail):<b></b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>[ATTACH=full]671192[/ATTACH] </b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Roman Republic Quinarius </b></p><p><b>Publius Vettius Sabinus (99 B.C.) </b>Laureate head of Jupiter right control letter left (X) / Victory r. crowning trophy P•SABIN between, control letter (X?) right, Q in exergue Crawford 331/1; Vettia 1; Sydenham 587 (1.77 grams / 15 mm). July 1989 $85.00 disc.</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Roman Republic Denarius </b></p><p><b>M. Plaetorius M.f. Cestianus (67 B.C.) </b></p><p>CESTIANVS turreted Cybele forepart of lion, globe beneath / M•PLAETORIVS•AED •CVR•EX•S•C curule chair, poppy head with one leaf. Cr409/2; Syd 808; Plaetoria 3. NumismaticaInd. (Paraguay) 1990 or 1991 $70.00</p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Roman Republic Denarius </b></p><p><b>L. Cassius Longinus (63 B.C.) </b>Veiled and diademed head of Vesta left, cup, control letter "I" (?) before / Togate citizen std. left w. ballot inscribed "V" & voting box, LONGIN•III•V behind. RSC Cassia 10, RCVM 364, RRC 413/1 Schinke Sep. 1992 $79.00</p><p><br /></p><p>These are admittedly nicer than the cheapies I have picked up on eBay over the past few years. But I have more fun now. The range of my collection has expanded enormously even as the quality has declined. Some would disagree with this collecting strategy, but I have to say that one of the great pleasures I get from collecting is the hunt. I just love a bargain - not much "strategy" beyond this. The bargains lead me to new interests. I'm afraid this emphasis on bargains also puts me in the Bottom Feeder's Club (sign me up - so long as the club dues are very, very low).</p><p><br /></p><p>Great post, zumbley. I'm looking forward to the next one in a lower price range...[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 2838884, member: 85693"]This is an interesting thread. Nowadays I [I]never[/I] pay $75 for an ancient - I shoot for $30 or less. Mostly silver denarii and antoninianii, with occasional Greeks, Byzantine, etc. my collection is a bit scruffy at that price level, but thanks to eBay, bargains are out there if you don't mind digging. I'll share some of these when the "bottom feeder" thread is posted. But in the old days (pre-Internet) I did spend in the $75 range. In fact, exactly 30 years ago (August 1987), I paid exactly $75.00 for my first Greek coin, a drachm of Alexander the Great (so these are usually advertised; but my example is a posthumous issue - my attribution is based on trolling the Internet - corrections welcome, as always). Bought pre-Internet days, I got it from an illustrated mail order catalogue. In the early days I would buy ancients at that $75-$150 price level because I had to - $30 denarii and drachmae were, as I recall, rarely available or when they were they were in lousy (even by my low standards) condition. When cheap, decent material did come up, it sold out immediately (in those days you phoned the dealer to hold a coin, then mailed the check). My favorite dealer was Bill McDaniels out of New York (anybody remember him?). Very nice man, lots of lower-priced material, but he sold out fast. Nice thing with Bill was he'd send a substitute if he was sold out (with full money back return policy) - his substitutes were always just fine with me (and often better than what I'd originally paid for). But his catalogues only came out 4 or so times a year. As for the other dealers, most of the stuff was out of my price range back then (like Vcoins offerings are today). Dealers are in business and business demands that they know the worth of their merchandise, so pricing in those days (and on fixed price lists now) was full-bore retail in my experience. So what's my drachm worth today? Was my $75 spent in August 1987 a good purchase? As far as enormously common Alexander drachmae go, it has a nice style and a very pleasant tone (that tone has, FYI, remained nice for 30 years, despite my poor storage for many years (PVC flips - I just didn't know any better!)). But it is hardly a pristine specimen and the Lampsakos mint examples quite common. I might get $102.50 for it on eBay if I'm lucky. [ATTACH=full]671187[/ATTACH] [B]Macedonia Kingdom Drachm Antigonus I Monophthalmus (c. 320-306 B.C.) Lampsakos Mint[/B] Head of Herakles in lion skin / AΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΥ, Zeus std. left on throne, eagle & sceptre. Controls: obv. forepart Pegasos left; rev. AI below throne. Price 1385; S-6731. (4.22 grams / 17 mm). ex-Argos Num. Aug. 1987 $75.00 Mostly what I sought and purchased in the pre-Internet days were Roman Republic silver. I purchased these from time to time, when I could afford it, in the $75.00 range, sight unseen, from dealer catalogues without illustrations (the drachma above is a rare [I]illustrated [/I]exception to this). Looking over these coins today, I'm still pretty happy with the purchases, but I was paying full retail back then, and it seems the prices haven't budged much, if you include 20 years of pricing massacres on eBay (and ignore all those ludicrously high "buy it now" auctions). Here are a couple of RR denarii I bought before the Internet (1989-1992) in the $75 range (note I made a purchase from Paraguay - material was very hard to find back in those days - I was very excited when a coin catalogue - foreign or domestic - showed up in the mail):[B] [ATTACH=full]671192[/ATTACH] Roman Republic Quinarius Publius Vettius Sabinus (99 B.C.) [/B]Laureate head of Jupiter right control letter left (X) / Victory r. crowning trophy P•SABIN between, control letter (X?) right, Q in exergue Crawford 331/1; Vettia 1; Sydenham 587 (1.77 grams / 15 mm). July 1989 $85.00 disc. [B] Roman Republic Denarius M. Plaetorius M.f. Cestianus (67 B.C.) [/B] CESTIANVS turreted Cybele forepart of lion, globe beneath / M•PLAETORIVS•AED •CVR•EX•S•C curule chair, poppy head with one leaf. Cr409/2; Syd 808; Plaetoria 3. NumismaticaInd. (Paraguay) 1990 or 1991 $70.00 [B] Roman Republic Denarius L. Cassius Longinus (63 B.C.) [/B]Veiled and diademed head of Vesta left, cup, control letter "I" (?) before / Togate citizen std. left w. ballot inscribed "V" & voting box, LONGIN•III•V behind. RSC Cassia 10, RCVM 364, RRC 413/1 Schinke Sep. 1992 $79.00 These are admittedly nicer than the cheapies I have picked up on eBay over the past few years. But I have more fun now. The range of my collection has expanded enormously even as the quality has declined. Some would disagree with this collecting strategy, but I have to say that one of the great pleasures I get from collecting is the hunt. I just love a bargain - not much "strategy" beyond this. The bargains lead me to new interests. I'm afraid this emphasis on bargains also puts me in the Bottom Feeder's Club (sign me up - so long as the club dues are very, very low). Great post, zumbley. I'm looking forward to the next one in a lower price range...[/QUOTE]
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