What would you grade this 1909 Lincoln Cent?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by jtlee321, Nov 4, 2016.

  1. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    65 Red. I am, assuming that there is an alloy mix problem as is common for that year.
     
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  3. RonSanderson

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  4. chascat

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  5. DysfunctionalVeteran

    DysfunctionalVeteran Oddly enough

    66RB

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  6. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Holy cow that's a lot of responses!! I'll have to shoot an animated gif of it and post it in here. But I won't be able to do that until tomorrow. In the mean time, thank you all for your opinions. I'm going to have to submit it to PCGS pretty soon, I just hope the turnaround times have improved significantly.
     
  7. John77

    John77 Well-Known Member

    I really wish you had some angled photos of the coin... for me, there's too much "noise" on the coin based on the photos (particularly Lincoln's portrait and the right side field) for me to make a judgment on a number grade. Personally, I would call the coin RD, but I've seen coins redder than yours get the RB designation from PCGS.
     
  8. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    I'd appreciate the .gif in this case. It's not so much the hue variances in your stills - you learn to factor that when you look at enough of them - as the speckling, especially on the reverse. If you've the equipment, try a set of stills with heavier diffusion. It'll reduce the apparent luster, but even out the hues.

    I'm quite ready to believe it's Red.
     
  9. Dale Lassiter

    Dale Lassiter Active Member

    XF some funny stuff going with it, I think.
     
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  11. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Ok.. I think I am getting this thing down. The Obverse and Reverse only took me 1.5 hours to assemble this time. LOL :D

    Even these just don't do this coin justice compared to in hand.


    The Obverse
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  12. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    The Reverse
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  13. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    Not sure why the forum software is showing two different sizes when they are both 675x675 pixels.
     
  14. John77

    John77 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for that... I can now definitely tell that there are lot of field scratches and marks on this coin... MS 63 RB
     
  15. RonSanderson

    RonSanderson Supporter! Supporter

    If this kind of image were available for every online sale, it would upend the marketplace. Every potential buyer could see the coin in-hand.

    Sure, this coin may have some die scratches in front of the chin, and a bit of chatter above LIBERTY. But this would not bother me if I had the coin in hand, and it doesn't bother me here.

    Your opinion may differ about how much you like it, but we can all base our opinions on the same clear representation of this coin.

    Edit:
    To support my premise, try comparing this 1909. @jtlee321 's images are so much better. I posted the grade as a thumbnail after these photos.
    01c 1909 obverse 01.jpg
    01c 1909 reverse 01.jpg 01c 1909 obverse holder.jpg
     
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2016
  16. Mad Stax

    Mad Stax Well-Known Member

    Wow, looks like a completely different coin in the slab! Coin photography can be a real challenge sometimes... Based off of the obv and rev pics I never would've guessed it would grade 66
     
  17. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    I'm still at 66, it would be a minimum of 65 with any TPG IMO.
     
  18. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

    That is not the OP's coin shown above.
     
  19. RonSanderson

    RonSanderson Supporter! Supporter

    To be clear, the coin I posted is just for comparison and is not meant to supplant Justin's gorgeous, and ungraded, coin.

    My point is how much a static photo can fail to represent a coin and how the in-hand impression can differ from even a pretty good photo. The animation takes this to a whole new level and should be required for online sales.
     
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  20. John77

    John77 Well-Known Member

    It's a different coin...
     
  21. John77

    John77 Well-Known Member

    Amazing how the grading services always up the grading on toned coins... That's a very nice coin no doubt, but I think it got a 66 (instead of a 65) because of the toning.
     
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