Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Kevin Farley, Oct 20, 2020.
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Yeah I read that a while ago, its just confusing to me because aren't PCGS & NGC the authority basically? If they call them Special Strikes and Chapman Proofs, why do others experts disagree? Is it just because not enough information is known about them?
Maybe they can't.
Maybe the items are in a category they choose not to.
Look at all the Lincoln Memorials that are DDR's but are not attributed by the TPG's
I know there are coins which the professionals don't agree on.
Example: NGC does not view an S-3 IHC as a business strike so they grade it as PF, not MS.
There are two different 1921 Morgans called proofs. The Chapman proofs are actual proof coins. There were about 20 made. The "Zerbe proofs" are not proof coins, just very nice business strikes that have a special look to them for some reason -- probably cherrypicked from a bank that got some nice ones.
By "struck from the right die" do you mean the 17 berry reverse? Or something else thats not right? They look a lot alike to me but I know it takes more than just looking like one
Awesome thanks for that. I never saw those differences anywhere else so thank you for explaining. Vamworld refers to the Chapman in the Smithsonian having 16 berries. Is that probably some kind of error like being struck through grease? Or can one only guess?
I just took a look at this on the VAM 3BV page. It doesn't refer to the coin in the Smithsonian being a Chapman proof, but says that the obverse die matches the Chapman. Lots of funny stuff going on in 1921 surrounding some of these coins. The Smithsonian coin may have been made much later than the Chapman to fill another order for 1921 proof Morgans. The article mentioned (in VAMView 14) goes into a little more detail, but at the end of the day, is still speculative as to how the Chapman obverse and D2 reverse coin at the Smithsonian that appears to be a proof came to be.
Yeah I agree, this is all so shady. Especially if PCGS and NGC are authenticating them and they go for possibly 6 figures. Weird
Yeah its sad. Better hope they don't kill the hobby and all the business that comes with it doing shady stuff like that. Anyway I did a lot of research into the 1921 proof subject and you explained better than anything I learned on my own. Its greatly appreciated
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