What weighs more... a pound of feathers or a pound of gold?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Dougmeister, May 5, 2016.

  1. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    Remember this old trick question from elementary school? Well, apparently the answer isn't what we thought...

    (excerpted from NowIKnow.com)

    Feathers, Lead, and Gold

    The age-old riddle is simple: which weighs more, a pound of feathers or a pound of lead? Your instnict may be to go with the lead -- in equal amounts, lead, after all, is heavier than feathers. But this is a trick question. A pound is a unit of weight; therefore, a pound of X weighs the same as a pound of Y.

    Or does it?

    If you put a pound of feathers on one side of a balance and a pound of lead on the other, the scale would rest with both sides even with one another. But what if we were to swap out the lead for gold? What would happen then?

    In that case, the balance would end up tilted, showing that the feathers weigh more. But it has nothing to do with the feathers or the gold itself -- it has to do with how we measure their weights.

    Whenever we use the term "pound" (to discuss mass/weight at least -- it means something else when discussing cakes and British currency), we're talking about pounds as defined by something called the Avoirdupois system. It's the standard, non-metric system you're familiar with if you're an American. In the avoirdupois system, are 16 ounces to an pound. Just to get some math out of the way -- we'll use it soon -- one avoirdupois ounce is equal to about 28.35 grams. Multiply those sixteen ounces by 28.35 grams and you end up with about 453.6 grams per avoirdupois pound.

    Feathers, being not all that special, are measured in avoirdupois pounds -- and so is just about everything else, from cheese and rubber bands to graphite and yes, lead. But gold is special. It, and other precious metals and gemstones, are measured in something called troy pounds. (It's unclear why.). A troy pound has only 12 ounce and a troy ounce is equal to about 31.1 grams. Multiply that out, and it comes 373.2 grams per troy pound, or about 20% less than what a pound of feathers weighs.

    So if you want to win a bar bet, put a pound of feathers on one side of your hypothetical balance and a (troy) pound of gold on the other. The feathers will weigh more. Of course, testing this in real life may be tough -- as of this writing, a troy pound of gold will run you more than $15,000.​
     
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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    feathers


    oops:

    read the title, answered, and then read the posting
     
  4. medoraman

    medoraman Well-Known Member

    Yeah, old trick. An ounce of gold will weigh more, but a pound of gold weighs less than a traditional pound.

    Why oh why can't this country switch to metric and be done with these stupid antiquated measurement units. I am surprised we don't use the weight of an average hedgehog for some measure.
     
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  5. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    ... or the air-speed velocity of an unladen Swallow... ;-)

    <obligatory "Monty Python" reference...>
     
  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank



    Thanks, love that line.
     
  7. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    It depends on how you want to interpret the question.

    A pound of x and a pound of y should weigh the same.

    However with a pound of feather, you may think about the weight of the amount of lives taken to obtain such. On the other hand with gold... you never know how much bloodshed it could have gone through.

    In conclusion - weight can be very subjective.
     
  8. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    If you try to prove this in a bar, you will likely end up in a fight. Never try to reason with a drunk!

    Chris
     
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  9. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    ... not to mention that a drunk would just look at me funny when I say "avoir dupois"...
     
  10. anderspud

    anderspud Active Member

    And now we can confuse everything by doing the weighing in a vacuum.
     
  11. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    Oh there you go bringing physics into it... ;-)
     
  12. Thomas56

    Thomas56 New Member

    A pound of x and a pound of y should weigh the same
     
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  13. anderspud

    anderspud Active Member

    And physics draws a distinction between weight and mass.
     
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  14. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    My generation wasted many moons learning the metric system for a "big switch" that never came. Let sleeping dogs lie!
     
  15. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Oops!
     
  16. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    AFRICAN OR EUROPEAN ?
     
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  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Many moons?
    Weight is in grams, volume is in liters, distance is in meters
    Going up or down to the next unit or any of them you just move the decimal point.
    Going down from the base unit you use the prefixes Centi, Deci, and Milli.
    Going up from the base unit you use the prefixes Centa, Deca, and Kilo.
    1 unit is
    10 centiunits or .1 centaunits
    100 deciunits or .01 decaunits
    1000 milliunits or .001 kilounits

    There now you know the metric system.

    The mistake the schools always did was to fixate on studying conversions from one system to the other. If they would just make the switch you don't do conversions.
     
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  18. Paul M.

    Paul M. Well-Known Member

    We kind of do. :p An average hedgehog weighs about a pound.

    I DON'T KNOW THAT!
     
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  19. Dougmeister

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  20. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    . . . Or with a defensive ignoramus.
     
  21. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Tell that to a football player!:woot::woot::woot::woot:

    Chris
     
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